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I've been having a good time doing summons. After doing a lot at Duke's Archives, I tried Anor Londo for a while. It was thick with invaders. One time we had two blue ones and one red one at once. There were none at the Iron Golem. It is time to move on in the game and head to New Londo. Then I will try the Stray Demon again.

Steerpike, I may have missed his last line of dialogue, though he certainly said to go ahead to Firelink and he would meet me there. I need to click till the characters repeat. His prices didn't matter since I had over 600,000 souls at the time.

Later...made my way to just about the boss fog door and saw a summons sign. As I tried to activate it, I was jumped by two knights and a blob. Will try again.

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I have the fourth Lord Soul. I did try to fight him by myself and was doing pretty good but didn't realize my estus flask wasn't in the quick slot and died using transient curses instead of health. I found two summon signs before the bridge to New Londo and we took the shortcut and made quick work of the Four Kings. Really too easy.

I would like to visit Ash Lake and The Hollow before the end game.

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What’s your progress, Botch?

OK, full disclosure.  I couldn't get Xtal's notions about character development out of my head (OK Xtal, I think you're pretty much my hero) so of course I started over with a new character.  I couldn't agree more that focusing on gear makes a HUGE difference.  My cleric rang both bells, killed the hydra, Pinwheel, and Iron Golem all at or below SL 11.

I did some things differently and had much help as well, but it was a much more satisfying and enjoyable experience, not to mention the fact that I rarely if ever got invaded.

First, I got Astora's straight sword on a suicide run at the beginning.  I agree with Xtal that it's an excellent first weapon early on, especially at +5.  I also killed Lautrec and got that awesome ring.  It actually wasn't that hard, much easier than three against one anyway.

I got help with almost every boss too.  Some guy gave me a +10 Elite Knight Armor.  Someone else gave me a ring of fog.  For the first time I was able to slip past the bridge drake and join the Warriors of Sunlight (Yea!).  I like that covenant so much.  Eventually I'll join the Princess covenant.  I've been focusing on lightning and fire weapons until I can get my divine claymore higher than +5.  My fully ascended pyro flame is very helpful too.

I've now gotten through Anor Londo and am SL 23.  I also (accidentally) did the Painted World, which was a nightmare (protip: a fully upgraded Eagle shield makes skeleton wheels look like a bunch of pansies).  Couldn't wait to get out of there.  I didn't fight the boss (uh, I can leave peacefully?  Yes please!).  I pretty much had to start leveling up because I couldn't  summon anyone otherwise.

Lately, like Pokey, I've been going on summon runs quite a bit.  I almost enjoy that more than the main story line sometimes.  Like Xtal said, not much is more satisfying than putting the beat-down on griefers in the Parish and elsewhere.  I've found a pretty useful technique which involves several quick strikes with an upgraded lightning spear.  That's around 1000 dmg in a matter of seconds.  Most people don't have good lightning defense and griefers take advantage of that, so I just turn the tables.  My win percentage has gone up dramatically (well, anything's better than 0%).  One interesting thing I noticed is that when I'm summoned, Lautrec appears as a white phantom, like other players in the game appear when not by a bonfire.  I can't attack him at all.

I've also been helping people with Gaping Dragon (easy to put a sign down while farming humanity) and Sif.  I even helped someone defeat the 4 kings and I haven't even been to that area yet.  The guy practically begged me to help him.  I think he was having trouble finding help at his SL so he just needed a warm body, and he knew I had the Abyss Ring.  That's one strange fight for sure.

So the net is that I'm hopelessly behind everyone else (except Gregg, priorities man!) but having tons of fun (I sound like a broken record).  I'm not sure whether to tackle the Archives or New Londo next.  Pretty sure Tomb of Giants has some items I desperately want, but I'm scared of that place.  I don't have the Intelligence for the light spell.  Are those Transient Curses essential in New Londo?

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I agree, SB, doing summons is the most fun. I've done so many in Anor Londo and The Duke's Archives that I need to go somewhere else. I'd like to help with Sif and also New Londo now that I have finished it. The main drag in Anor Londo is so lonely until you get a summon and interact with others.

I liked Dukes Archives and you can acquire a lot of souls in a short time by doing summons. You can get a light source in Lost Izalith. You will need Transient Curses but only a few. You will get a lot from drops by the ghosts especially if you wear the Covetous Serpent Ring. I started with 30 being, very cautious, and ended with 29.

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Botch: brilliant! I'm a bit hung up on re-creating my builds as well. Once you're familiar with the whole world the game becomes indescribably ... less difficult. But there are always ways to challenge yourself.

I decided that on my first character, with which I completed the game, I relied too heavily on Havel's Ring, and then the Ring of Favor and Protection once my endurance was high enough to remove Havel's. I considered starting a character with the goal of wearing the full Black Iron set (Tarkus!) and no equip load enhancements, but after reacquainting myself with the heavy roll (where your controller vibrates and you're almost stunned) I decided as fun as it would be to walk around dressed up as Tarkus and smashing things with a Greatsword, it would be better to challenge myself with a lightly armored build that uses modest poise (a very important stat, I've learned).

I forgot to post this here, I don't know if any of you are aware of it, but this is a BLOODY BRILLIANT tool if you intend to play with a potential character build and want to figure out what will work best for you: http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/

A Dark Souls character planner! Yes!! You can even make a build and it will tell you which is the best starting class to use (the best ones to me seem to be the Pyromancer and Wanderer, mainly because they are the lowest starting levels (1 and 3, respectively) and starting level is apparently not affected by the Resistance stat (these both start at 12).

Anyway, I've started using the shotel (Lautrec's weapon of choice) and it has one clever feature: it ignores a certain amount (I don't know how much) of shield defense. You can kill a lot of turtling enemies in one or two swift swings; granted, I've already upgraded mine a bit, but it's still a nice weapon. More useful than I'd imagined. It can be found in Sen's Fortress, near where you drop down to speak with Siegmeyer. It's a good light weapon (2.5 wt) that meshes well with my intended build. I'm trying to optimize generally light pieces of armor that have relatively high poise. The Hollow Soldier's Waistcloth is probably, following that philosophy, the most underrated piece of light armor in the game (1.5 wt to 7.0 poise). Here is my intended build at soul level 120:

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Anyway, I've had DkS withdrawal for a few days now, and work time is done, so I'm off to Lordran!

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Jeez Louise, nice work Botch! I am very intrigued by this keep-the-soul-level-low approach. I must try it when I play through again. Fall and the expansion can't come soon enough. 🙂

Gregg! Priorities!

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Go easy on Gregg, Steerpike. He informed me that he indulged in a poutine this past weekend, so it appears his priorities are in order!

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So you recommend Archives Pokey?  I agree that Anor Londo seems so deserted, but I guess that's the point.  It's definitely a relief after that nightmarish Painted World.  Those harpies jumping on your neck and pecking your head, yechh!

Xtal, I'm starting to cop to the importance of poise as well.  All other things being equal, I'm starting to consider armor with a little more poise superior to armor with a little better defense.  My goal with my cleric is to keep the equip weight under 50% max.  I definitely don't want the fatty roll, but I can live with a bit slower movement.  Right now my armor of choice is the Elite Knight set, with Pinwheel's father mask for the extra equip weight until I get my endurance up.  But I think I can do better.  I've thought about doing a full tank build too, but haven't taken that particular plunge (Yes, I know, finish the damn game Botch so we can openly discuss the ending).

Although I like the low SL approach, there comes a time when you have to start boosting things with stats, either because you've maxed out weapon or armor capabilities, or it's just too hard to reach that next plateau (barring summons for an entire area).  I tend to try clearing an area out alone and only get help with the boss (that recent, exhilarating co-op run through Anor Londo with Xtal notwithstanding).

And lastly, Steerpike, what is this expansion business?  I've heard nothing about it, but then I guess I haven't been paying close attention to gaming news lately.  Details!

Edit: just saw my first Gravelord Servant invasion sign.  Tried to invade but I think someone beat me to it.

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Botch, my friend, you have so much to look forward to!

Gregg may be off with some poutine, but you're enjoying the gravy/fry goodness of Dark Souls. And come "fall," which could mean anything from August to late 2018 depending on From Software's status, you're gonna get Dark Souls: Artorias of the Abyss, which'll be DLC for console people. I'm guessing about $15.

The new content will also be in a repackaged full version of the game as Dark Souls: Prepare to Die on all major (ie, not Wii) consoles, and on the PC under that title as well.

New places to get killed in, new monsters to kill you, new objects that can be used in the act of killing. In general, more Dark Souls. As I mentioned in the Diaries, I would lick Dark Souls, so I'll be investing. Hell, I'll probably be investing in the PC version (though it will be a disaster; From has zero experience making PC ports) and maybe even a full copy of the expanded edition for my PS3.

They need all the help they can get after the last three weeks.

Remember, From Software's never exactly batted a thousand; if we want more Souls games, we might need to toss dollars at the company that also just produced Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor. Karma alone won't be enough to exonerate them from that heap.

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SB, I'd head for the archives next. There aren't any really difficult spots like you will find in Tomb of the Giants. I really got pounded there and then all the invasions. The boss part of the Archives is very different and exciting. You will enjoy doing summons there. It is one boss you might want to get help with because he is hard to get to.

I didn't pay much attention to poise except for the the path into the castle in Anor Londo. I was getting knocked off until I put on heavy armor and the poise ring.

I'm usually staying under 50% and wearing Orstein's and Paladin armor (good for curse resistance). I will wear the gold-hemmed if I want to be agile.

Have you done Demons Ruins and Lost Izalith? I'd make that my second choice.

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SB, I'd head for the archives next. There aren't any really difficult spots like you will find in Tomb of the Giants. I really got pounded there and then all the invasions. The boss part of the Archives is very different and exciting. You will enjoy doing summons there. It is one boss you might want to get help with because he is hard to get to.

I didn't pay much attention to poise except for the the path into the castle in Anor Londo. I was getting knocked off until I put on heavy armor and the poise ring.

I'm usually staying under 50% and wearing Orstein's and Paladin armor (good for curse resistance). I will wear the gold-hemmed if I want to be agile.

Have you done Demons Ruins and Lost Izalith? I'd make that my second choice.

I was waiting to get summoned at Sif's door (it never happened) and I got a message that said I was summoned for a Dark invasion or something like that and then it was canceled. What was that?

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Hello everyone, it's that slacker guy who hasn't been round these parts in a while. Simply put I can't read a thing here anymore because a) I don't know what most of you are talking about and b) that's probably because I'm very far behind you all! I haven't even rang the second bell yet. frown

My mind's been taken off Dark Souls recently because I've been getting my portfolio and job application sorted for a recent job opportunity while trying to write (and complete) my Gratuitous Tank Battles impressions. Work was horribly busy about a month ago and I usually do most of my 'internet housekeeping' ie. forum posting, commenting, writing and researching while I'm supposed to be working (seriously, they don't pay me enough!), but because of the workload going through the roof I've not had a chance to do any of that so it's been bleeding into my home time when I usually game. Luke and Armand have also been keen to play Dungeon Defenders a lot as well so I've been joining them whenever possible (I do love gaming with friends, I'd love to do some more co-op on Dark Souls, that was immense -- imagine the next Souls game being a potentially full on co-op experience!). I'm certainly not finished with it yet though, that's for sure. I dare say I've barely begun by the sounds of it. I take comfort knowing that I thought I'd 'done' with Demon's Souls after a few frustrating sessions but returned nearly a year later with renewed enthusiasm for it. I'll be back on Dark Souls as soon as I can.

By the way, I just remembered, when I went down to kill the Pinwheel I thought I'd pay that big black knight a visit in the chamber where the pinwheel skeletons are. In one of the lowest adjoining crypts I found a couple of white rings, like halos, that intermittently appeared and disappeared. It seemed that the rings appeared on my heal miracle as well when they were visible. Very peculiar, any thoughts on those?

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Pokey, I entered the Archives and found the bonfire pretty easily.  Those armored boars that once gave me fits are now just a minor obstacle of course.  I went up the elevator and fought some...dudes.  What are those things?  Anyway, I stopped there.  I don't even know how to get to Lost Izalith (don't tell me! 🙂 ) but I know where the Demon Ruins are.  I've heard somewhat of the treacherous nature of Tomb of Giants, but is the difficulty beyond someone who can get through Anor Londo without too much trouble?

Steerpike, you've talked about From a few times, but beyond that I don't really know much about them.  A casual perusal of their past titles' reviews doesn't exactly inspire awe.  From what fevered corner does the utter brilliance of the Souls games come?  I rarely make day one purchases but the expansion will probably make that list.  The Souls games are truly something special.

Gregg, I remember those rings.  They're in a room with two skeleton archers and one of those non-respawning mages.  I originally thought they marked weak spots on the floor or something, but I've never been able to figure out what they really represent.  Remember we're all available for jolly co-op.

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Has anyone ever encountered a vagrant?  I've only ever run into one, and didn't know what it was at the time.  It was on the cliff above the bridge to Sif's lair.

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SB, you must mean the crystal soldiers. They are a bit tougher than the usual undead soldier. You shouldn't have much problem with the Tomb of Giants. It's the darkness, the skeleton dogs and the knight on a narrow ledge. Just take it slow. I used the Fog Ring at times.

The rings are Miracle Resonance Rings. Someone has used a miracle there and if you use the same one, it is amplified.

I've never seen a vagrant. They must be quite rare.

I came upon some videos at YouTube with three players doing co-op through the whole game and using voice. It was amusing when they were trying to find the bonfire at Sen's Fortress and kept walking by it.

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I just defeated Stray Dragon....finally. I used my Lightning Uchigatana +4 and did it on the second try. He went down pretty fast with that weapon. I have the titanite slab now. I was planning on upgrading my Lightning Halberd +4 but now maybe I should go with the Uchigatana and its fast slash and bleed.

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Pokey, where do you get the Uchigatana in this game? I don't think I've run into it yet,and I've pretty much explored all the nooks and crannies.

Gregg, like Pokey says, those are miracle resonance rings. That is the only place in the game I've ever seen them as well, so I think whatever From tried to do with that, it failed. Or maybe I'm wrong.

Regarding vagrants, I have seen two: the first time it was on top of a small tower in the Undead Burg (the one with the undead archer, near the house with the gold pine resin). The second it was in Darkroot Garden, right beside where you find the Wolf Ring. Apparently they come in a variety of sizes, but I don't know what dictates that. All anyone seems to know is that they're spawned from large losses of humanity, souls, or item dropping in other worlds. The second one did seem a bit larger than the first, but that may be my memory failing. They both dropped one hard humanity; I'm not sure if they drop anything else.

Also, Gregg: I'm assuming you haven't ventured far into Blighttown if you haven't rung the second bell? All I can say is...stay with it as best you can. Blighttown is a wretched hell, worse than anything I experienced in Demon's Souls (disclaimer: I was very high level when I finally visited the Valley of Defilement, so it was not very frustrating for me). When you decide to venture in, feel free to advise us before you do so, and I will gladly hop on a character near your level and be available for summons.

Whether you'd prefer to go in alone and do a bit of learning the hard way, or if you'd like a helping hand to lessen the horror, that's up to you! I assume you'd be going in via the Depths bonfire and opened entrance near Domnhall of Zena; you could bypass a substantial chunk (and arguably the worst part) of Blighttown by taking the back entrance from the Valley of Drakes ... but for your first time in you may just want to go the long and awful way to collect some key items (Eagle Shield, Iatio, and my favourite pyromancy: Power Within, along with numerous soul items).

Blighttown tips:

  1. Bring all the purple moss and blooming purple moss you can.
  2. If you are being constantly turned toxic, consider using a dung pie on yourself; I've never tried this, but apparently the self-toxic state you inflict upon yourself when throwing dung pies will not be overridden by other enemy toxins, and it is a slightly less fatal kind of toxic, so it may actually save you.
  3. Use the Spider Shield (it's one of two shields that blocks poison, but the only one available at this point in the game).
  4. Tell your lovely girlfriend that perhaps the evening you choose to venture into Blighttown would be a good time for her to visit friends or family, or just go for a very long walk. There will be much cursing in Blighttown, and it may get ugly.
  5. Prepare to die.

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You can buy Uchigatanas from Shiva in Blighttown, if you've joined the Forest covenant.  He's at the base of the stairs near the water wheel.  Consider buying several.  🙂  Slightly better than the Iaito IMHO.  Apparently you can kill the male Undead Burg merchant for one as well, but that's just bad karma man.

Xtal, that character planner is like giving a new pipe to a crack addict.

Good going Pokey with Stray Demon.  I tried him recently and he took me behind the woodshed for a serious whuppin'.

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I killed the male merchant to get mine. He didn't have anything else I wanted to buy. Maybe that is where I got my sin that took 40,000 souls to erase.

I think I may head to Blighttown and backtrack from the swamp area to pick up the Eagle Shield and Power Within spell. I especially want that spell.

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It's worth it, Pokey. The Eagle Shield is great (84 stability fully upgraded) for being only 6.0 weight. Power Within, if you maximize its use and are willing to fight with it, can be a game changer.

There are two keys to maximizing Power Within (thank you, EpicNameBro!):

  1. Wear the Lingering Dragoncrest Ring - this changes the duration from 100 to 150 seconds, spreading the HP drain over a longer period of time.
  2. Use a non-upgraded Pyromancy Flame - the HP drain rises with each upgrade but the damage modifier never goes up. If you've already upgraded your first Flame you can get a second one from Eingyi by getting those slugs in the Demon Ruins to give you an egg head; that way Eingyi takes a liking to you and offers you the Flame (as well as offering to teach you two pyromancies).

If you do both of these things there's practically no noticeable HP drain, and you can really tear apart anything in the game with it on. Of course you only get 1 use, so use it wisely.

Botch, if you haven't already, try tackling Stray Demon without ever locking on to him. I found that to be my demise: he would hover up in the air and since I was locked-on I would mostly run in dizzying circles when trying to escape his AoE ground smack. Definitely take him out at least before you move on to NG+, because titanite slabs are pretty dang rare.

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