It’s strange watching the rise of player versus player (PvP) prominence within massively multiplayer games. First exposed to the concept in Ultima Online when out in the wilds of Britannia, I’ve watched it evolve from what was a seemingly a recreational activity when not questing or exploring, to it taking pride of place as a must have within the genre…
Though PvP is in no way exclusive to MMOGs, as any multiplayer game could be considered to be offering a PvP experience in some form (from Soul Calibre’s versus battles to the offerings of Battlefield’s 64 player maps) what is apparent with the recent crop of MMOGs is that many players are no longer primarily seeking questing, exploration, crafting or trade as a staple to their experience but are instead choosing to find their enjoyment in competing against others in predefined scenarios or open world encounters.
Neocron and Dark Age of Camelot (DAoC) are two games which arguably changed the PvP landscape and I often champion them both as benchmarks for where developers could be drawing their influences. Each shares some similarities, though they couldn’t be more different in play style or setting, but the primary elements which draw both together are pride and possession.
In Neocron, PvP revolved around open world warfare, where faction sympathies determined your allies, your enemies and those neutral to you. Each region on the world map contained a specific outpost which could be captured by your Clan. The benefits of owning these outposts was money, region wide bonuses such as an increase to your crafting skills, the ability to teleport directly to the outpost (thus saving travel time) as well as pride of ownership. It was quite the sight to see the world map covered in your faction colours, knowing that you ‘owned’ it.
What made it more interesting was the ability to fortify your outpost with security turrets, the use of vehicular combat as well as the need to actually ‘hack’ three layers of an outpost’s security (with each layer alerting clan members via chat when a barrier went down) before you could actually capture it.
This led to several choices the Clan players could make if your outpost was under attack:
- Did you wait until the second layer of the outposts security was hacked before you teleported there?
- Did you even risk teleporting into the outpost’s underground to travel to the surface to risk being killed if enemies were waiting on the surface?
- Did you teleport to a nearby outpost to then travel to the one being hacked?
- Did you wait at a nearby outpost to intercept the attackers after letting them capture your outpost?
The options available to individuals on how to approach combat situations, such as the ability to send a ‘Droner’ (a Spy who was capable of launching small controllable machines that could fly) ahead of the group made encounters tactical but also nerve wracking. Not only was the pride of your region ownership at stake but to die on the battlefield would often result in some serious ‘smack talk’.
Unlike World of Warcraft or Aion, that segregate races and sides so that players of opposing factions cannot communicate with one another, Neocron made no effort to disallow this. If you killed someone you would be sure to relay a message to them or them to you, that was guaranteed to infuriate or make you laugh at your victim. Not only did this create a swell of competitiveness but it allowed you to be recognised and often feared as the small server numbers (several thousand) created personal relationships in the PvP encounters.
Where DAoC draws parallels to Neocron was its realm pride through Realm versus Realm (RvR) combat. Players fought for control of keeps which housed Relics. These Relics would gift the holding realm specific bonuses for as long as they held them. Each realm had one unique relic with the possibility of a single realm, if strong enough, having the chance to hold all three.
What three realms also ensured (and to the fatal mistake of Mythic’s future attempt at Warhammer Online’s RvR combat) was that no side became too powerful, as there was always the potential for two versus one.
Just like the outpost benefits in Neocron, DAoC’s Relics served a greater purpose. They were more than a physical object, they were a goal and a symbol of power for your realm. A tool to create a permanent to and fro between oppositions. To create pride through possession.
MMOGs have now begun to drift away from these foundations and instead into the immediate elements of PvP encounters in the form of ‘scenarios’ that can be accessed instantly, anywhere in the game world. These timed encounters revolve around a single disposable objective that serves to entertain players in the short term. Where the problem lies in this single addition to the genre is that it could be seen to dilute the two key elements that made PvP competitive but also nerve-wracking and exciting. Inevitably (and a much wider issue within the genre) if there is no risk versus reward, to die in a scenario is as inconsequential as dying in Modern Warfare, so the question remains; what are you fighting for?
Whilst I appreciate the immediacy and fun these scenarios provide, in many ways they entirely undermine the game world, but also undermine world PvP and a developers focus on creating world wide objectives for players to actually focus on. Selecting a “join scenario” button and being teleported from your current location into an entirely independent arena is something I’ve never truly been comfortable with.
Pioneered by World of Warcraft, people still fight so heavily in these scenarios that to encounter someone in the world at one of the “world objectives” Blizzard implemented (to encourage combat outside of scenarios) would be a miracle. Part of the problem is of course the level grind. Inevitably, why would players of the maximum rank return to zones that they are 20, 30 or 40 levels higher than? They wouldn’t and they don’t. But also part of the problem is that these zones serve no real purpose to the grander scheme of a PvP experience.
By implementing cross-server scenarios (it is no longer a case of you versus enemies on your server but instead you fight against players paired across multiple servers) Blizzard have further undermined any sense of pride or competitiveness, as not only do you have no chance of seeing the same people again, but the world objectives have no real focus.
Alterac Valley, Blizzard’s attempt at an open PvP battlefield scenario, is a mess of ill thought out ideas and a rush to kill the end boss. The sight of a train of Alliance or Horde simply running past one another as they head to the finish line is all too commonplace. If however, Alterac Valley were a physical zone in Azeroth with a single keep that housed a relic and that gave the holding race a permanent large buff, then it might, just might, be worth fighting for. Instead, we’ve players who care more for items and inventory than we do for individual, racial or team pride.
Blizzard aren’t the only developer missing the concept of open world PvP and the pride it can instil in players. Mythic, the developer behind DAoC, forgot every lesson they learned from RvR combat in an attempt to cash in on WoW’s success by following suit. Not only did they only have two sides in Warhammer Online (leading to some servers seriously unbalanced) but they also concentrated so heavily on scenarios that the world PvP still remains a mess.
Would it have been difficult for them to replicate DAoC in some form by having Destruction, Order and Skaven as the three playable races fighting over single keeps and Relics? I doubt it. Instead, we’ve open world PvP where keeps change hands like candy and provide absolutely nothing of value to the victors. There is no loss of pride instilled in the player base when a keep changes hands and no desire to recapture them other than for the selfishness of character progression.
ArenaNet are soon to step into the fray with Guild Wars 2 and have frequently cited DAoC and Team Fortress 2 as influences in how they have designed their PvP. Their World vs World vs World, where 3 servers go head to head in a two week long campaign in the mists (a zone they join) is straight out of the DAoC handbook: “How to do PVP well”. The recent exhibition matches between Boon control and ArenaNet highlighted that there is still some way to go to make Guild Wars a true E-sport (fixed cameras for spectators for example) and I would still like to see a context audio or chat wheel like Battlefield 2 to save you typing if you don’t have a microphone.
But whilst scenarios are here to stay, at least ArenaNet have the foresight to balance players levels, equipment and skills in scenarios so as to create an even playing field, acknowledging scenarios as an avenue to let off steam if you’ve got a spare hour or two, whilst placing WvWvW as the pinnacle of what PvP is all about; pride and possession.
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I enjoy reading a discussion like this as sort of an outsider, a person who doesn’t play MMOs and who dislikes PvP combat (or, at least, prefers co-op play, when I have to deal with other humans at all). Lewis’s vast experience with MMOs gives him a particular insight into the evolution of little play mechanics, like PvP. Honestly I don’t think many people who don’t play MMOs would realize there’s such variance in the way PvP is implemented.
I tend to agree with your view, Lewis, that these sort of one-off, click-to-get-in-a-fight approaches apparently championed by Blizzard aren’t the best. They seem immersion-breaking, for one thing; plus as you say there’s a sense of team pride and victory when it all fits into a seamless world.
Once again EVE Online rears its head as one that might include the best of all worlds – factions if you want them, territory if you want it, independence if you go that route. If only EVE was fun to play. I’m curious to see how Dust 514 will integrate with the larger universe.
I wouldn’t necessarily agree with “pride and possession” being “the pinnacle of what PvP is all about”. In fact, I have the impression that WvW is largely seen as the ‘casual’, not so serious type of PvP, while the structured formats are praised for pushing the notion of player skill to the highest possible extent by eliminating gear and random influences as far as possible. The people who are into e-sporty stuff, if my perception of them is correct, don’t care a lot about pride and possession, but rather and almost solely about the feeling of being better than some reference group.
The observation that closed scenarios fit into a world only on rare occasions is probably correct, but then again there are lots of people who couldn’t care less about immersion and such. Declaring structured PvP the somewhat ‘inferior’ variant in comparison to world PvP (I hope I didn’t misunderstand your article there) seems to ignore the importance it has for a lot of people and the benefits it actually offers to that community.
I’m way too wimpy and non-competitive for PvP. I don’t think I ever tried it in Lineage 2 or EQ … tried it in WoW and I always lost, or my team always lost, so I figured that couldn’t be a coincidence and stopped doing it. (Like Lesser Sakey, I too loathe humans, but when they’re gloating over your charred corpse it’s that much worse).
2 cents
wow instanced pvp AB, AV, WSG, etc very boring and the honor grind for gear and rep was tiresome.
wow arenas 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5 much more fun and tactical but had nothing to do with the 99% of the game world, plot, story, etc its like it was a separate game that you got to start playing when you hit max level
best pvp for me has been planet-side. real persistent world, base capture, three factions, read and react to where the battles were, or grab some people and start some trouble….until they added giant robots
I dream of a game that has one server with all the players on it. Many factions, or races to play. With a battle for resources and territory at the core. If one faction wins good for them, restart everyone at zero.
that is like 17 cents
I do not play MMO’s, so the majority of my PvP experience comes from the versus matches found in FPS’s, like CoD and Battlefied.
However, the most thrilling, nerve-racking, and exhilarating PvP I have experienced has come from Demon’s Souls and now Dark Souls. Having your game world unexpectedly invaded by another player causes my adrenaline to kick in like few things in gaming can. Especially the first few times it happens.
Knowing that there is now another player wandering around your gaming world with the sole purpose of finding you and trying to kill you is quite intense.
Defeating one of these Black Phantoms is also one of the most satisfying experiences around, knowing that you were triumphant not just in your own survival, but in banishing another playing who’s intentions towards you were quite malicious.
I agree that open world pvp is underused. I hope expanding of mmo genre will change that. It would be great to have an mmorts with no instances, where you play as a soldier. With resources, territory control, turret building and alike.
TSW also seems to have similar approach as GW2 with having divided pvp world from pve and with both usual instanced pvp, and massive battles over larger maps. That’s two major mmos coming to try to bring pvp back to its massive multiplayer form.
I hope they succeed.
@tanis: It was some way into my time with Demon’s Souls that my connection became good enough to enable the online part of the game and I very nearly shat a brick when a Black Phantom invaded my world. As you say, knowing that somebody was running around actively seeking me out with the sole purpose of killing me was terrifying. The first Phantom didn’t see me coming so I quickly dispatched it but the second one got in a few crafty spear jabs and I was a goner. It was exhilarating!
Excellent article Lew and I couldn’t agree more especially given my recent experience of Bloodline Champions’ PvP and of course my ongoing love for the likes of Quake Wars, Brink and the Battlefield games where players are fighting over and holding specific points or objectives, a sort of collective goal.