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Spike
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November 25, 2009 - 1:16 pm
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Sweet!  MS does make things difficult.  Boo to them.  At least you didn't buy a Dell.  They add so much crap to their computers.  Much of it is hard to find, and even harder to delete. 

Have fun playing, and Happy Thanksgiving.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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I've decided to upgrade at the beginning of the year.  Since I am still in AMD 939 cpu land I'm pretty much gonna have to gut my purty Lian Li case and start over. That includes a new motherboard, cpu, memory, and vid card. I'm thinking i5 750 Intel cpu, some compatible mobo, an AMD HD 5850 vid card and whatever memory works. The only thing I could possibly reuse other than my case is my PSU but it's so loud I'm going to replace it too. I'm thinking one of those super quiet ones at around 750 watts. I have a case of Yate Loon fans I'm going to use to replace the case fans.  Oh and Windows 7 to replace XP. [Image Can Not Be Found] That should hold me for another 4 years.

Hopefully I will have better luck than Jen. I'm half tempted to just buy all the parts and find some comupter tech to assemble it for me.

Jen, were you able to return the parts to your other computer or did you have to eat the cost?

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I had to eat the cost. The only thing I took out of the old computer was the hard disks. I was going to drive the carcass down to Free Geek and donate it, but if you want to harvest, I'd just as soon drive it down to you. The case, power supply (600-650W), and vid card are very nice. Either the motherboard and/or the chip are shot.

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Hey, if you are just going to Free Geek it, I'd love to pick through the bones first.  Any one part is guaranteed to be better than my computer. I might be able to only have to pop for the mobo/cpu instead of a whole new rig.

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“disk read failure, press ctrl-alt-del to reboot.”

sounds like the hard drive failed. Your mobo and cpu might be fine.

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Nope, the same HDs work fine in the new computer. I could not even get to BIOS in the old one. Tits up, I tell ya.

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Jen said:

Nope, the same HDs work fine in the new computer. I could not even get to BIOS in the old one. Tits up, I tell ya.


Tell ya what. I'll buy the vid card and psu off you. I just reread the thread and saw that you just put in a new HD 4850 video card. That is worth some bucks still.  You can buy a couple of new games!!

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Well, I did it now. I went to Fry's Electronics just south of Portland and they were having a Cyber Monday store only combo sale on that i5 750 cpu I wanted + an okay middle of the line motherboard pretty much thrown in for free. Plus I bought 4 gigs of memory cause nothing is compatible in Intel land you see for more than 5 weeks. Now I have to wait on a stupid adapter for my big assed heatsink cause I hate putting those things in while the whole thing is in the case and I hate pulling everything out of the case twice. So I have all these gaudy boxes sitting in the corner of my office. I'd rather wait for ages then do something twice. Ahh the wisdom of the ancients..

At least I can play Dragon Age in style. I had that scurvy dog [Image Can Not Be Found]Risen [Image Can Not Be Found] running almost at lowest setting and it still was gasping for air.

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This is an interesting article. http://www.legionhardware.com/.....69&p=0

The author compares current midlevel CPU's from Intel and AMD over various frequencies with the top of the line 5970 graphics card. It started with the i7 920 Intel processor and this week adds the AMD 965 with the i5 750 next week or so. The general findings (with these two processors and likely the i5 as well) are that current systems are GPU bound (at 2560x1600) at very respectable frame rates at the commercial CPU frequency settings with the top of the line GPU. So budget on the C and splurge on the G when you go for the PUs.

scout, what OS are you running?

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Mike, you can have the stuff for free. I was just going to donate it anyway. The deal is, though, that you have to take all or nothing. I only want one disposal errand.

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That is an interesting article. I've got a Core 2 Quad Q9450 which I'd thought might be slowing me down compared to one of those shiny i7s, but perhaps instead I should upgrade my 512MB Radeon 4870 to something exceptionally awesome instead. Anyone know when nVidia's new cards are coming out? MaximumPC said as early as late this year, but... it is late this year and I haven't seen nothin'.

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I thought I read they had abandoned the high end market on account of bad yields and poor design decisions and were focusing on the value segment?

I thought it interesting that AMDs at 3GHz generally performed like the Intel's at 2GHz, but the AMD's at 4GHz were actually faster in 5/9 cases. Who'da thunk? Another takeaway message is that overclocking with those graphics cards is simply unnecessary with those processors. The games are either GPU bound or, with less resolution, running a frame rate so stratospheric that the monitor (not to mention your eyes) can't keep up anyway. Unless you're doing something entirely processor bound.

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Helmut said:

This is an interesting article. http://www.legionhardware.com/.....69&p=0

The author compares current midlevel CPU's from Intel and AMD over various frequencies with the top of the line 5970 graphics card. It started with the i7 920 Intel processor and this week adds the AMD 965 with the i5 750 next week or so. The general findings (with these two processors and likely the i5 as well) are that current systems are GPU bound (at 2560×1600) at very respectable frame rates at the commercial CPU frequency settings with the top of the line GPU. So budget on the C and splurge on the G when you go for the PUs.

scout, what OS are you running?


Helmut,

I'm running XP Service Pack 2. The rest of the gaming rig is an Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2.2 GHZ 939 socket. Asus A8R32-MVP mobo, 2 gigs of Cosair DDR ram, a PC power and cooling Turbo 510 that sounds like a jet taking off,  and a Sapphire HD 3870 video card.

I was actually looking for some games when I saw that killer deal on the i5 750 and couldn't resist. I had tried to get Fry's deal on the Phenom II the day before but they had sold out and I though that was it for deals and then I saw this one and just went for it. I think Jen's 4850 will work great and then eventually when the prices on the 5970 drop in a year just put that in. The Gigabyte mobo I just got isn't so good for Crossfire but I've been there and done that and ain't gonna no more.

Once I get the new rig built and I'm happy with it I'm going to migrate over to Windows 7. One thing at a time though.

EDIT: Do you realize that I'm only paying 189.00 for a cpu/mobo this time when in early 2007 I paid 650.00 for that cpu and mobo???? And my original card, a Radeon 1900XT was 450.00 for the OEM version. 2 gigs of value ram was over 135.00. I did like that motherboard though.

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Jen said:

Mike, you can have the stuff for free. I was just going to donate it anyway. The deal is, though, that you have to take all or nothing. I only want one disposal errand.


It's a deal then. What I can't use I'll either make a kid computer for a friend's son or Free Geek it.

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Steerpike said:

That is an interesting article. I've got a Core 2 Quad Q9450 which I'd thought might be slowing me down compared to one of those shiny i7s, but perhaps instead I should upgrade my 512MB Radeon 4870 to something exceptionally awesome instead. Anyone know when nVidia's new cards are coming out? MaximumPC said as early as late this year, but… it is late this year and I haven't seen nothin'.


I think the problem is supply for anything above the 5770 right now. All the AMD 58XX cards are just non-existent, 100 over MSRP when you can get them.  Dunno about nVidia. It's bad yields all around right now. People are suddenly happy with their 4870s so count your blessings in that department.

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