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Tips for football (look at me, an ignoramus calling it by its proper name!)
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xtal
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I need the help of our U.K. contingency. Probably just Mat C, actually. Mat C who rarely posts on the forums ... d'oh. Okay, Lewis or Gregg, one of you please get his attention.

I just got my first soccer game (FIFA 09 for $8!) in about fifteen years and I'd like some tips from a veteran. I think the online portion of the game is defunct, so I can't get actual lessons, but I'll take what I can.

 

How do I become amazing?? Should I gradually ween myself off of assisted passing and such, should I continue playing on semi-pro difficulty, as my skills improve should I generally move toward managing teams in more skilled leagues? Right now I'm managing Toronto FC in an MLS season, and every team in this league is rated between 1.5 - 2.5 stars.

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June 15, 2011 - 6:30 pm
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I'll get Mat C to drop by. I don't follow socc-- football.

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xtal
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June 15, 2011 - 8:27 pm
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Isn't that blasphemous over there? That's like not eating maple syrup here...

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You rang? 😉

FIFA 09? Man that feels like a life time ago! I can't remember what exact features that game had, although FIFA 09 was the turning point when FIFA games started becoming good again. FIFA 10 is the best in the series since 1998 (and yes, I've played them all since then) but hey, for 8 of your American space bucks you can't go wrong!

You're better off learning with single player anyway. FIFA online isn't the environment to learn anything. If you're crap, other players will just destroy and mock you to the point where it stops becoming fun. If you're good, you'll barely finish a game because of the other dude rage quitting. Single player is your friend.

Don't worry about assists. I've played every FIFA, ISS and PES game since 1996 and I've never weened myself off assisted controls. You don't need to and the vast, vast majority of football game players don't. There's a very small sub set of FIFA players who do play without assists, but getting to that point is frustrating and takes years of practice and experience to actually get used to. If you're the sort of FIFA player who pays $8 for a 2 year out of date version, I can't recommend that this would be the best way for you to enjoy the game! What you can do however is toggle the assists to suit your own game, although don't worry about that straight away.

I'd advise playing with good teams from the outset, even I'd it's just a few friendly matches or tournaments before you start a proper career game. Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Bayern Munich and Inter Milan are usually the best teams on the game, so give them a go. As you wont be playing online you don't have to worry about the scorn of others by only being the best teams. It's easier to translate your game down to smaller teams once you've practiced and got used to the game. As for gameplay tips? Just make the most of the space available on the pitch. If you've got a couple of quick wingers, giving them the ball and crossing it into the box is always useful. Pace is probably the biggest asset on the game, so if you play with fast players that will help you out a lot. Also, does FIFA 09 have a "placement shot" button? It should be one of the trigger buttons. If it does, press it at the same time as the shoot button. Rather than just blasting the ball, this will make your player place his shot which in many circumstances makes it easier to score. It won't work every time but particularly with one-on-ones, it'll increase your chances.

Errr.. that should be an OK starting point. Let me know if you've got any other specific issues! Oh and yes "soccer" is frowned upon in the UK!

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As for difficulty level, semi-pro is a good starting point yes. Amatuer is just too easy and you won't learn anything playing on that. Semi-pro is pretty comfortable, but really I'd suggest playing at whatever level you feel confident with. Professional is usually the sweet spot so think about going up to pro once you start winning regularly on semi-pro. Don't feel preassured to play at higher difficulties though. Being good at FIFA and being able to play it on World Class mode are two different things. All playing on World Class means is that you've got enough patience to cope with an A.I that just becomes more cheap and nasty, rather than "difficult" as such, and that doesn't necessarily translate to ability at the game.

Although I can play at World Class, I rarely do, because I don't tend to enjoy it. Like I say, rather than genuinely scaling the difficulty the higher levels just increase the aggression of defenders or the super human abilities of the A.I goalkeepers, and I dont generally enjoy playing it this way, yet I'm still a decent FIFA player.. competitive online and probably one of the better players I know amongst my friends group etc. You don't need to play on World Class to be good at the game or to enjoy it.

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My advice?

Choose Stoke F.C. (The Potters) and remember: thou shalt always kill.

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How do I become amazing??

Oh xtal, you make me laugh so much. Never change.

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Also, if you're interested in any more half decent footie games for cheap, you should look out for World Cup 2010. I've always found the World Cup spin offs have been some of the better FIFA games over the years, even when FIFA was crap. WC 2010 is an improvement on FIFA 09 and has all the stadiums and licensing from the tournament. It's a decent game, especially if you like international football (which EA has always gimped for the full FIFA games just so they can sell their tournament spin off's every 4 years) and dropped price drastically in the UK after the World Cup (well, after England got knocked out. Arf). If you enjoy FIFA 09 you should see if you can pick up WC 2010 for cheap too.

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Thanks for all the advice, Mat, I really appreciate it! I spent some time going around to shops in my own city and surrounding towns when I had the time, the consensus from folk working there was that "new" copies (as in: not pre-owned) of FIFA do not last in the stores for too long, and once used ones come in they go just as fast because they are rather popular. I was actually hoping to score a copy of FIFA 10 but couldn't find it anywhere. The last store I went to was the only one which had a regular non-WC year game, and that was the copy of 09 I purchased.

Also, at 2 stores there were copies of the FIFA World Cup 2010 game and the employees all told me that for inexplicable reasons the price of these remains at their original MSRP of $59.99! Used copies, at that!!

The store where I finally made my purchase had a copy of 09 for the 360 and it was $24.99 used; rather expensive for a 2.5 year old sports title. For no good reason, the PS3 copy of 09 was $7.99 ... I could hardly say no to that.

I'm very much enjoying it. I was never what you picture the typical raging North American anti-soccerist (sorry) to be, citing its wussy-ness and such, I was simply not too interested in it. Last year I really watched the World Cup intensely for the first time ever, and I really loved it. I tuned in at weird times of day and night here to catch quite a few games. My girlfriend's family is half-Dutch so I was kind of well-wishing them the whole way.

I liked watching the Japanese team play too, bless their tiny 4'5" hearts. I recall quite vividly, at my office's cafeteria, watching their heartbreaking defeat at the hands of Paraguay in penalty kicks. I'm also fond of the Germans. Mostly for the country's excellent contributions to popular electronic music; Kraftwerk, et al.

My city is a greatly diverse place but you really notice it come the World Cup; pockets of Polish, Greek, Korean, Dutch, Italian, and Brazilian fans to be found in nooks and crannies. Most visibly, though, are folk cheering on the English squad, chiefly because that's the team we uncivilized denizens can associate with manly, white, beer-swilling, overwhelmingly heterosexual good times.

ANYWAY, I truly started to appreciate the sport last year. Prior to then I didn't pay it much respect. That was also partially due to my own stubbornness: I vowed to dislike it all somewhat because where I grew up there was a strong Italian population and every 4 years the World Cup rolled around life would become unbearable with all the car horns honking and the usual nonsense of rubbish "fans." And that was in the suburbs!

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I have thought of a few more questions about the actual video game as well. One thing I'm really struggling at is signing a new player during the transfer period. Trading players in the hockey and football (not football) games I'm used to is quite straightforward. This transference business is alien to me. There's this one fellow, his rating is a 78 (the best player on my team is a 74, and I scouted him from Europe- the best before that was a 72), and he (or the team selling him) seems quite finicky. I've tried about a half dozen attempts at obtaining him now, all failed. His market value is $190,000 and I've offered up to $35,000 more than that, as well as raised the proposed yearly salary by another grand, as well as offered a 5% incentive bonus for goals scored! Still nothing.

What gives? There must be a trick I'm missing.

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You've just summarised really well some of the things that make football such an exciting sport to follow. In the UK and other countries in Europe, it's similar at club football. That tribal nature of supporting a team, you vs them, the banter with other groups of fans.. it's great stuff. In the World Cup it is, as you say, about watching people from across the entire world following the same sport, supporting their teams in the same way and coming together to watch the matches. One of the things I love the most about World Cups is seeing other teams and nations. My wife's family originate from Chile so it was great fun supporting them during last years tournament, and I'm also quite fond of the Germanys.. although you tend to have to whisper that in England!

Strange one about those prices? Maybe it's because of the smaller circulation in general? We kind of have a similar thing in the UK with NFL, NHL, NBA games etc. Madden games will hold their value at £30+ right up until the next one launches, so you usually have to go a few years back to pick up the really cheap ones. If you were that bothered about getting any older football games in the future, I could always look to shipping you a copy? Wouldn't have thought it would be too pricey. Depends on how much you're interested in playing it!

As for transfers.. persistance is key. Just keep upping the offer as best you can and sugar it with decent bonuses. Sometimes players will also be reluctant to sign if the contract is too long or short, although I can't remember if FIFA 09 indicates this anywhere. 

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@xtal:

Also, at 2 stores there were copies of the FIFA World Cup 2010 game and the employees all told me that for inexplicable reasons the price of these remains at their original MSRP of $59.99! Used copies, at that!!

The store where I finally made my purchase had a copy of 09 for the 360 and it was $24.99 used; rather expensive for a 2.5 year old sports title. For no good reason, the PS3 copy of 09 was $7.99 … I could hardly say no to that.

 

Have you considered GTZ?  There are lots of copies listed for both PS3 and 360, although the traders might want an arm and a leg for them.  Dunno.

Then there's always Amazon for either new or used.

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June 21, 2011 - 5:48 pm
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The Germans had that magical octopus too, right? Wasn't that octopus from Germany?

Xtal, maybe the problem is that you are offering this player Canadian dollars. He may not realize that's actually money.

 

As you all can see I have nothing constructive to add to this conversation, but I am enjoying it immensely.

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xtal
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June 21, 2011 - 11:04 pm
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Laugh it up, fuzzball.

 

And er, what is GTZ?

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xtal said:

 

And er, what is GTZ?

Game Trading Zone.  Register.  Create a list of games you want, and a list of games you are willing to trade.  Search for what you want and make an offer, or wait for offers to come to you.  For most trades, for most games, it will only cost you  the amount of postage you pay to send a game to the trader who will send your game to you.  You can trade games for cash as well, or anything that the 2 parties to the trade agree to.  Free to join, never a fee to use the site.  I've traded with people in the US, Canada, UK, etc.  I've never had a problem with a trader.

http://gametz.com/?x&SignOff=1

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