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System Shock 2--with mods!
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Ernest
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August 17, 2011 - 10:00 pm
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After Ben and I finished Metro 2033 for the 2d time tonight, given his strong positive reaction to Half Life, I'd been thinking lately about checking out System Shock 2 again.  So I did a quick search–and found that there are all kinds of mods for it!

I downloaded a program called SS2Tool which patches the game and sets its directories up for mods.  Then I downloaded SS2 mod manager, an excellent tool along the lines of various other mod managers.  Then I downloaded: SHTUP, SHNUP, rebirth, SHMUP, crowbar, and ADaoB.  (Notice no links here to any of them; they're easy to google.)  The result was the upgrade of a 12 year old game to about the graphics status of…a 13 year old game (Half Life).  HA!

Seriously, the game looks okay.  Easily playable.  So we'll be starting it up tomorrow.

So far we've played:

Portal who knows how many times

Portal 2 twice

Half Life once

Half Life 2 twice

Singularity twice

Metro 2033 twice

Dead Space/Dead Space 2 once each

Borderlands

Bioshock

Starcraft 2 until I realized there was no way to slow the game down

Uncharted/Uncharted 2 ("Tanks!" he says, "Who needs tanks on a train!?") once each

Demon's Souls

Tron Evolution until I realized there was no way I could make some of those jumps

Amnesia: Dark Descent right up until we encountered that first creaky door

Tried to get him to play Stalker/Fallout 3 but he wasn't interested.  Re FO3, he lost interest b/c of the crashes.  Which I mostly actually finally fixed via BOSS–which amazingly seemed to sort out the mods at last!  So it only crashes once a play session now.

Mostly Ben seems to like games with narrative.  Sandbox games bore him.  Curiously he liked God of War but it required too much clicking for some action (I forget what).  Seemed like CTS in the making to me.

I'm thinking he might like Thief/Thief 2 but I sense it'd be a lot of work getting either of them updated.  Deus Ex 3 I'm thinking he'll like.

My plan for years had been to get him to play WOW with me when he turned 5.  But now that he's 5, he's not interested in playing!  Only watching.  Curious.

…Err I kind of digressed from the original topic.

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I've played SS2 with Rebirth and it looked great. You and Ben should have a good time with it - SS2 can be slow, but it's scary as hell and there's lots of great story on the audio logs. It's probably better for story driven games to be audio or cutscene focused rather than a lot of reading. I bet he's still learning so that may have been what turned him off Fallout 3 and Stalker. When do kids learn to read? And at what point do they learn words like "ameliorate" and "deleterious?" I don't know much about children.

You guys are flying through your collection! 🙂

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This is supposed to be a place where a guy or gal can kick off their shoes, sit back, buy a dozen games on Steam and then complain about having too many games.

 

Ernest finishes too many games. I don't think he belongs here.

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Does this mean I'll be cast out if I actually achieve my goal of completing Deus Ex 1 before the end of the week? ._.

Good luck, Ernest. Prepare for the single game which freaked me out the most. Ever. Coming from a man who has been entangled in a torrid love affair with Silent Hill for ten years, System Shock 2 is in a class of its own.

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Oh yeah I played SS2 way back when.

I still say the scariest game I ever played though was Realms of the Haunting.  Worse than Silent Hill, Resident Evil, or even Amnesia.  Maybe not worse than that Cthulu game from a couple of years ago, though.  I didn't get too far in it so can't say for sure.  Also maybe not worse than that HL2 mod whose name I never can remember where the monsters were black splotches.

Gonna try RotH again soon to see if it's as scary as I remember.

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Wow Ernest! That is a lot of games. I need to hire a 5 year old to crack the whip on me. I have the attention span of one when it comes to games so maybe we would get along.

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Jakkar said........>>Good luck, Ernest. Prepare for the single game which freaked me out the most. Ever.<<

 

Me, too. System Shock 2 had me curled up in corners for much of the way through.   For me it was truly daunting.  However, having finished it,  I keep telling myself I must be able to finish STALKER. 

I do wonder, Earnest,  what you are trying to achieve with getting Ben to play these games.   What will this do for him?  I often wonder (given the number of games you and Ben have played) if you have time to do other things with him.  Might you want sometime to take him out and hike, ride a bike, learn to swim, see a concert.

I keep wondering what will happen to Ben if all he does is play games with his dad.   But I am sure Ben's life is more than playing games.   Tell us about it.

Kay

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Judging from what I know of Ernest, playing games is one of Ben's many activities, not "all" he does with his dad. Actually I've found myself wondering how our Ernest manages to find time to be a successful attorney on top of all the stuff he enjoys doing with Ben.

In fact even sitting on the outside of this story I find the suggestion that "all" Ben does with his dad is play video games, or that Ernest is trying to "achieve" anything other than spending time with his son a little... no, a lot… insulting. I don't ever recall reading that Ben doesn't know how to ride a bike, or doesn't know what Outside is, or has never been to a concert.

I am fortunate enough to still have my Dad, alive and vigorous, and while I was growing up he taught me to ride a bike, took me to concerts, tried but failed to educate me in catch, read to me, sang me songs, and sat fearlessly in the Death Seat while I learned to drive. He bounced me when I was little, pretended to wheeze when I was slightly larger and "punched" him, and today, he pretends it's funny when I threaten to put him in a home, knowing we're both teasing, because the humor takes the fear out of it for both of us, and reminds us that we love each other.

My Dad also introduced me to video games, with Mystery House on the Apple II+. Like Ernest (also a successful professional), my Dad found time between being Director of Sales at Cadillac Motor to spend hours with his young children every evening playing with us. Whether we were playing video games or hide 'n' seek, or learning to ride a bike, is wholly irrelevant compared to the fact that it was time spent with my Dad.

One day he will be gone, and I will never have that time again, nor ever that wisdom, nor ever that kindness. And on that day, or all the days forward, as I realize a piece of my heart has been removed, do you truly think I'll spare a moment wishing my Dad had done This more and That less, or vice versa?

With that said, if this is Ben's first go-through of SS2, Ernest, you have to tell us all about it!

Life is the misery we endure between disappointments.

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My word. Steerpike's father clearly had a strong and positive influence upon him - I cannot help but wonder how different I might be had my own father been anything but a source of stress, violence, and ultimately attempted murder O.o

I do feel that being broadly ignored through my childhood/avoiding my father's violent tantrums led to me spending so much time with my toys it fostered my imagination well.

The only time computer games entered the equation with my dad was when he sold my N64 in order to replace it with a playstation, so that he could play TOCA 2. He lasted five minutes before becoming seasick and never touched a computer game again. I really, really missed Goldeneye, that bastard.

Keep up the good work, Ernest. Do not let your small entity become as warped and mad as I! I'm sure many psychiatric professionals would be keen to implicate my father's lackings into my current mental state! =D

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Steerpike

You are absolutely right about my post.  I can see why you thought it was insulting.   I didn't mean it to be but I am at times less than thoughtful in how I word posts.

So let me try again.  

Earnest,  Ben seems to be such a bright and eager-to-learn little guy.   What other stuff does he like to do with you?  What kinds of stuff does he like to do with his mother?  

Kay 

Imagine life with no hypothetical situations. 

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@Kay: I'm sorry, but I'm not so comfortable answering certain questions about my family in a semi-public forum like FFC/TR.  For what it's worth, I mention only Ben's involvement with computer games here because of the general focus of the board.  Rest assured that my children are the center of my life.

@SP about time: it's amazing how much time you have when you try not to waste it.  TV, for instance.  I couldn't name a current show.  If you remember, way back when you first took over FFC, when you asked me about becoming an admin, I mentioned I wouldn't have time.  I've got 2 little ones demanding it.  Between work and my family it's a full life.

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I think that is probably very wise Ernest.   I am sure your children and your wife are the center of your life.  From everything I know about you,  you are a good father, a good husband, and (simply) a good man.

Kay

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