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MineCraft! Someone had to bring it up.
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Armand
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I looked around all over Tap and couldn't find a single mention of MineCraft. I'm sure you've all heard of it, but just in case:

http://www.minecraft.net/

It goes into Beta on December 20th, which means the price goes up, and you don't get a lifetime of free expansions and added content anymore. As of now, it costs 9.99 Euro and like I said, includes free expansion packs, DLCs, whatever, should such goodies be released. Starting on the 20th of December, the price goes up to 14.95 Euro and none of the free DLC.

This game is too much fun imo, and I can't recommend it enough. It's not for everybody though (I think Gregg said he didn't like it much... could be wrong.) Even though it's still in alpha, it's highly playable and loads of fun.

So far he's sold 779,745 copies... of an indie game... in alpha.

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I know we both frequent RPS, Armand, and if one used that as their only source of PC games information you'd think Minecraft  was The Second Coming. They sure are obsessed with it there. I admit I don't quite understand the craze myself, but a nation of millions can't be wrong. Did you find it hard to get into? When reading about it I usually think of similarly-loved indie game, Dwarf Fortress, which seems equally open-ended and ... crazy, for lack of a better word.

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Man, I spent a week trying to get into Dwarf Fortress and failed every time. It was just too complex and punishing for me. MineCraft is much easier by comparison. It helps to look up crafting recipes and tips online, and maybe a starters guide on surviving the first night, but you'll be having fun from the minute you start playing (I did anyway.) I've ranted about it with Fink a number of times, and I can say this.

As much as I love FO3 and FO:NV, when I first bought NV, it was only a week after picking up MineCraft. Throughout my entire first playthrough of NV, all I could think about was going back and playing more MineCraft. I know it has a lot of buzz, and I'm usually one of those people that is turned off by things that have popular followings (never seen Titanic, Schindler's List, Forest Gump, and a bunch of others simply based on their popularity... I consider it a mental deficiency on my part.) Even now, as I'm playing and enjoying ME2, I still have to almost force myself to not play MineCraft instead. This game is both incredibly charming and fun. The survival elements are really what do it for me, along with the strange atmosphere and setting. There is a free version on the site you can try, but that is almost nothing like the full version, and not nearly as fun.

It's got a huge online community with tons of servers running variations on the game. I look forward to some RPG variations when the multiplayer becomes more stable, as I think this has HUGE potential for an open ended online RPG experience. You can also mod the hell out of it, with more modding options soon to be implemented. In my game, I've re-skinned EVERYTHING, either with my own custom skins (easy to do with any paint program,) or with a mixture of some of my favorite ones online. Real easy to mod for even an amateur.
I honestly can't praise the game enough. It's too much fun. Again, I'm sure this isn't for everybody (yet,) but if you like the idea of a survival sim mixed with legos for grown-ups, buy this game.

As far as RPS goes (and I know I'm not gonna make friends saying this,) but I'm not crazy about their site. The handful of articles I've read have seemed reactionary and only a step above most user forums in quality. I only end up there through hyperlinks. That said, I regularly frequent Kotaku, and I know plenty of people would say it's no better than RPS.

What follows is an example of a typical "first day" in MineCraft:

Wake up on the coast of a mysterious (giant) island. Quickly start harvesting logs from nearby trees and stone from..wherever. Use these to craft a work bench and some crude tools such as an axe, pick-axe, shovel, and scythe. Quickly collect enough wood with your fancy new axe to build a primitive shelter. You will need this for your first night. It doesn't need to have a door or windows. It will likely not have any lights (need to go mining for coal before you can make some simple torches.) When the sun sets, get in your little hut and wait it out. Not much to do in absolute darkness (this game has REAL dark nights and mines) but to craft some extra tools (as they break down with use) and plan.
When the sun rises the next day, wait long enough for the swarms of skeleton archers, Creepers (exploding zombies), and giant spiders to die. Than go out and do whatever. You can gather materials above ground such as the super important wood, plants for gardening, sand to make glass out of, or whatever. Or you can start mining. This usually means either find an existing tunnel system and build upon that, or just pick a spot and start digging. You will come across a variety of resources with which to make better tools, weapons, armor, stairs, ladders, mine carts, chests to store goods, torches and lamps, and so on. You can use buckets (made of metals you find) to gather up water or lava and create moats or traps around your home. If your particularly crafty, you can even set traps with pressure plates and switches to capture, kill, and harvest monsters at night.

Once you get settled in, you can start to build a better home, and explore the island, which is huge and different every time. There isn't much to gain by exploration as of yet other than the fun of adventure and survival, but I'm hoping that will change in the beta version as they apply a narrative to it all. I'm currently working on a network of tree houses in a large valley near my spawn point. I've got direct access into a giant mine which I've built a tower around. The tower connects to one of the tree houses, which are connected by bridges. It's all very neat! And this is all in a single player game. If someone had the server space, they could even make a Tap server for people here to go hang out on and mine together...

There is a lot more to the game (portals to the Neather you can create for one, which is a super scary place!) but I've probably said enough (too much.)

Again, I love the game. Easily one of my favorites of the year, and it's still in ALPHA! Feel free to throw more questions my way, as I love praising this game!

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So, it's the realistic Scandinavian Scandinvian Iron Age roguelike UnReal World (http://www.jmp.fi/~smaarane/urw.html) or Dwarf Fortress + LittleBigPlanet and/or Love?

I love you keep trying to sell me on Minecraft Armand. Keep at it! [Image Can Not Be Found] but tanding by my prediction it's going to fizzle like the huge early buzz on LittleBigPlanet. Most users don't want to create content. A small but larger number will play the mods and skins that come out but most will wander off pretty quickly. Hope I'm wrong but I'll take the bet. [Image Can Not Be Found]

 

Btw, UnReal World is bugfuck insane. Rarely played it but I've paid 'em twice. It's one of those games (like Minecraft or Love) ya can't quite believe exists--and it's been around for ten years. A labor of love bordering on clinical insanity: "Let's spend a decade combining roguelikes with grainy gifs of us LARPing in trees with Finnish history and sell it!" "Great idea!"

grooowrrrr! [menace menace] rrrrowwwr!

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I tried it when he offered a temporarily-free full version due to a server outage, and couldn't get the sound to work. The basis of the game sounds pretty cool - sort of "welcome to the world, now survive it" - and I got a huge kick out of the blocky graphics and wild animals. 

 

The creator has already made millions on it. Maybe he'll get some millions from me too. I couldn't get into Dwarf Fortress, but this one seems worth a shot. 

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History of the creation of Dwarf Fortress. Long audio interview with its creator. http://frontrowcrew.com/geekni.....-fortress/

Developer blog for Unangband. Much smart writing on game design. http://roguelikedeveloper.blogspot.com/

 

And: weeple the sludge elf summoner of Sif Muna nabbed my first ever rune in Dungeon Crawl. Happy dance. Foot on the road to a weenie three-rune win. [Image Can Not Be Found]Poor Armand's been suffering through my spatters of "deargod! new unique monster!" "weeple's gonna die, out of mana and food! my demon ripped the head off the hydra and made it bigger!" "shit DEATH YAKS!!!!" so thanks to him. [Image Can Not Be Found]

grooowrrrr! [menace menace] rrrrowwwr!

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I never know what he's talking about...

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Armand said:

I never know what he's talking about...


Neither does anyone else. I liken it to someone getting on the bus and shouting meaningless drivel - as long as you don't look them in the eye, everything will be fine.

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The thing is, I *do* understand some of what Fink' says, usually 40% or more if I'm familiar with his references.

For example, his post from my thread GOG vs. Box wherein we discussed duplicating (augmenting) a boxed game with a GOG digital version.

Finkbug wrote:

"There's no shame in digital augmentation."

 

I'm a one-eyed half-demon triple-E MILF. Meet me in the IF tram at midnight central time. I don't do flying mounts.

He is riffing on exaggeration of one's personal assests in a digital game—-> WoW, most likely an rpg server, advertising for cyber-sex.

I'm guessing "triple-E" means Big Breasts (probably overweight in real life but prefers to think of self as voluptuous)

MILF (had to look this up, I thought it might be Married I(something) Lesbian Female). According to a wiki, "MILF has become a much-used descriptor on the Internet for pornography sites featuring MILFs: (Married) women (with grown children) mostly between the ages of 35 and 55.

Clearly he wants to meet in the underground tram station at Iron Forge (tram that runs between IF & Stormwind)

As players on a server live in different time zones, he clarifies meet-up as midnight CST (Central rather than Eastern, Mountain or Pacific)

Finally, he isn't into kinky stuff (furries?) with animals….by implication, perhaps Taurens (yes, I know they are Horde!) & Worgens needn't show.

 

Translation of his post above, in this very thread? I haven't a g-damned clue! [Image Can Not Be Found]

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Hah hah. I meant I don't understand the stuff about the ANSI games he plays. Weeple elf this, rod of doo doo that. The rest of the time, chating with him through Steam though, he's perfectly coherent. Also has great taste in music!

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http://www.craigslist.org/abou.....37.html a couple WoW expansions ago. Steer, who said "There's no shame in digital augmentation", lives in CST. In another thread he was tempted to try the game by a Cataclysm review.

It's all hilarious in my head.[Image Can Not Be Found]

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Finkbug's signature is my new favourite. I'm not sure I know why, either.

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Dammit Armand, why'd you have to bring up Minecraft? I spent all weekend playing it. I don't even know why. I'm not building a functioning computer or a replica of the enterprise or anything, I'm just trying to get a nice roof onto my hut. This is seriously interfering with my New Vegas plans!

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Hah hah! Now you know how I felt when I was torn between Minecraft and New Vegas. If you haven't done so already, check out the tons of great user made skins for the game. Many are much better than the original graphics, while maintaining the charm. Below are links to some of the better ones I've come across.

http://painterlypack.net/index.html (a great RPG themed texture pack.)

Installation is real easy. Start up Minecraft. At the main menu, choose Mods and Texture Packs. From there, choose Open Texture Pack Folder. Drag the zip file (don't unzip) into the folder, and it's ready to go. You can load multiple texture packs and select the one you want in the game.

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I bought Minecraft a few months ago and had a good wander about, bashing things and harassing the flora and fauna but I just didn't 'get it'.

I love exploring and discovering things in games but it didn't seem like there was much to discover (unless randomly combining items or stumbling across another curious cave/clearing/pig counts). I love trying to survive in games but because it wasn't possible to die from starvation or thirst it was easy to block myself in and just sit there surviving, why go creating stuff? I love the blocky aesthetic and the way that Minecraft has an eerie, quiet sense of loneliness and wonder about it but I just can't help thinking to myself 'Okay, what am I supposed to be doing and why?'. It's all good and well being able to create and mod stuff but I haven't got time for something so limitless anymore; I need my experiences containing somewhat. I'll admit that sounds pretty cynical (what happened to my golden childhood of aimlessly creating stuff with Lego for shits and giggles eh?). I don't want all this to sound negative but since playing it I've been trying to suss out exactly what it is that's stopped me from getting well and truly lost in Notch's growing goldmine.

I actually had to pull myself away from Dwarf Fortress because I could see it consuming me despite its indiscriminately steep learning curve. Dwarf Fortress has an immediate, if discretionary, goal: to survive. And it's a bastard to survive, so you have to work hard at it (losing is fun right?). Coupling that with the extensive procedural world gen that creates an entire history complete with legendary heroes and beasts, bloodlines and wars, as well as the organic world containing it all, there's plenty to discover and keep playing for.

Minecraft is fascinating and incredible in a different way to Dwarf Fortress and it's a game I'll be following just as closely. They're probably the two most exciting indie games I've ever encountered and they're both in alpha.

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Can I also say, great link Armand, some beautiful pixel art in there.

Any other suggestions to get my butt into this game? Is there a survival co-op mode?

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http://servers.minecraftforum.net/

A list of Minecraft servers. I've only played server side Minecraft a couple times, and it seemed kind of buggy, but that was months ago, and I know most of the work they've been doing is for the multiplayer, so I'm hoping it's improved. If anyone wants to hop onto a server and tool around a bit, hit me up on Steam. I always keep it on.There are a lot of other server lists as well. Wish I could start my own. Don't even know how to create a server though.

Man, browsing these lets you know how many mods already exist for the game, including economy system mods! This game needs more RPG elements like shops, npcs, and cash. I think modders are working on/testing all of those! I get so excited thinking about this game!

...no, not that kind of excited.

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Re Minecraft, did you guys see about the fella who made a real working cpu in it?  Just amazing what people can do.

 

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Very cool! Gonna have to stop being cranky and try the damn game. Again. [Image Can Not Be Found]

In the 80s some MIT students built a Tinkertoy & fishing line computer that plays optimal tic-tac-toe. http://www.retrothing.com/2006.....Don't know if its still on display at the Boston Museum of Science but if so it's a must see. It was stunning to stand beside the beast and hear it compute. Clack, clack, clack, move. Friggin' love letter to Babbage.

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You'll be happy to know that my sister, my two nephews (ages 10 & 15) and my sister's roommate are all addicted to Mine Craft. The 10 year old has a fully funtioning house and was teaching the roommate how to climb up waterfalls. The 15 yr old had gone into sanitation engineering and built a sewer system so that he always has potable water. My sister has modded hers with some sort of odd skin.

Then we watched the 10 yr old beat the crap out of some fighters in UFC championship on the 360 and then we all played Rock Band. A joyous Christmas Eve was had by all. [Image Can Not Be Found]

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