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Late to the Party: Discovering a Gem
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I loved the Witcher but I didn't see any theft there. Some boobs I guess. If showing boobs is theft then jail the entire world. Also disagree that DA:O was an ugly Witcher. I don't even see where you are coming from there. I think Witcher was a better game though. 

KOTOR never did anything for me. Mass Effect wasn't bad. I too resent the Big Moral Choice. Ack.  Hate, hate, hate it. I loved the characters in this game though, much, much more than in KOTOR. KOTOR was pure cardboard for me. It annoyed me to death. So, Dragon Age, as I've said before, has great characters and a great ending, things I find severely lacking in most games. And I agree, the Fallouts and Torment are way better.

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I cried tonight when the Lady of the Forest died (my team fought Zathrian till he lifted the curse). Such a gentle nature, can't remember when I last met such a good-to-the-core without-being-saccharin NPC. Even if she was wearing no more than a couple of twigs. Subject of which ties in nicely with Scout's boobilicious post above. [Image Can Not Be Found]

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Scout: It struck me as inescapably suspicious that Bioware suddenly return to the oldschool RPG roots (debatable, but it was their claim) with a story about a 'dark and gritty realistic fantasy universe' in which dwarves and elves are beaten down, ghetto-dwelling victims of human birth-rates and brutality - just after The Witcher used the Neverwinter Nights engine to create an oldschool RPG in a gritty and realistic fantasy setting in which dwarves and elves are beaten down, ghetto-dwelling victims of human etc etc.

It's the same opportunism the big players have been exhibiting non-stop for the last too many years - I think the thought process is something like "Shit, son - that there indie did good. Let's rape and pillage that that little bastard before someone else does - fuck the content, we'll finish the game via DLC!".

... I feel every community needs a paranoid cynic ._. *burrows into his corner*

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Every time I talked to the Lady of the Forest, I wanted to ask her if she was cold just wearing those strategically placed twigs. I, too, was close to tears when she died.

Yap, which areas have you finished?

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All races agreed to join, next up is Earl's where I know we'll face roadblocks before calling the Landsmeet. Haven't opened the Elf Slum yet but last night, for a break, I played the elf city origin story. Awww, man, what a downer. My mage never faced a life like this. Never mind that I'd never survive as a rogue without playing on Easy.

Now we're in camp where I must catch up on yada-yada. Then, off to Redcliffe Castle – Al, Maggot, Wynette & me.

I will personally fry Wynette's heart if she ups & dies on me before we've conquered the Darkspawn. I know she's old, but woman, we have responsibilties that I cannot survive without your crackerjack A.I. healing. Just in case, I'm taking healing skills myself but damn. No way can I-the-player heal half as effectively* as she does. No lie, if Wynette dies, I'm letting the AI control me (as healer).

 

* we have died exactly ONCE, facing a boss-type room with 8+ blood mages & friends. After reloading, I brought my sorry 3rd string (Sten, Zev, Lelianna) to camp & returned with the usual party.

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I played as an Elf dual-wield warrior and it was indeed a downer of an origin. I couldn't blame her for wanting to get the hell outta dodge. Although it was worth it just for the dialogue between my girl and Alistair when he found out she'd almost married. That conversation had me in stitches.

I ended up spec'g Wynette as both healer and damage dealer after I did the Flemeth quest and realized I sorely missed Maggot's fire & ice.

A word about Landsmeet (and you may already know this) - finish up all your uncompleted quests prior to Landsmeet. Once you begin the Landsmeet quest line, you'll be on somewhat of a fast-track to the climax.

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This game does not give me confidence that we'll all live happily ever after. 

As Al makes a cameo in DA 2 (or so I've read), at least he lives. King? Married to me? I am sorely conflicted. Damned the Darkspore, I want a house with a picket fence ([Image Can Not Be Found])...Al Jr. & Winnie (in honor of Wynette) playing in the yard. ([Image Can Not Be Found]).

I can foresee some tough choices ahead. [Image Can Not Be Found]

I will miss Alistair everso when this is over. I'm attached to this group so much more than Mass Effect -  love Zev's outlook (and accent), never tired of hearing Lelianna talk, feel protective of their welfare as leader of Sten & Shale,.

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Yapette said:

This game does not give me confidence that we'll all live happily ever after. 

As Al makes a cameo in DA 2 (or so I've read), at least he lives. King? Married to me? I am sorely conflicted. Damned the Darkspore, I want a house with a picket fence ([Image Can Not Be Found])…Al Jr. & Winnie (in honor of Wynette) playing in the yard. ([Image Can Not Be Found]).

I can foresee some tough choices ahead. [Image Can Not Be Found]

I will miss Alistair everso when this is over. I'm attached to this group so much more than Mass Effect -  love Zev's outlook (and accent), never tired of hearing Lelianna talk, feel protective of their welfare as leader of Sten & Shale,.


Yeah, there is a chance for happily ever after; however, it requires sacrifice of sorts and one pre-existing condition. (I won't comment on that condition as it will give away an ending)
 

I was in tears when my game finally ended. I adored those people and wanted them with me forever. Attempting to play Mass Effect after offered no "warm & fuzzies" with regards to my companions. They weren't real in any sense of the word. It's interesting that all the women I know who played as women (and some men who played female characters) got fully invested and wanted the house w/picket fence.

My copy of DA2 has shipped from Amazon and I'm torn between starting it and waiting until I get back from Italy. I know full well, if I start it before I go I won't finish packing.

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If my post wasn't clear, although I didn't list the A Team by name, they (Al, Wynette & Maggot) are of course my BFF.

Interesting about female main character played by either male or female Player results in the same tugged heart strings. Alistair's profile is not usually my type, but as we traveled together, I could no longer resist his sweet self. He has literally won my heart. [Image Can Not Be Found]

 

Wonder if Scout played a female? Could you as an elf romance a human? Normally I ignore ingame romances (finding it too creepy to woo & bed down w/ "pixel people"). Although I had no intentions, the game finally worked it wily ways on me. [Image Can Not Be Found]

Haven't planned on moving to DA 2 just yet. If we could of played the same party, I would of pre-ordered. Now, I need to forget. We ever knew each other. Before I lead another group. As a no-choice in the matter male. [Image Can Not Be Found]

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Yapette, I started with the female dwarf warrior. Then something else I forget. Got impatient to play and ended up as a male elf warrior which turned out to be one of the worst characters I've ever come up with. I gave up half way through the game and punted, playing through the Morrigan NPC. Thus I ignored the romance angle until the very end when I tried a last minute move on the cute little thief. It was too little too late and she saw right through me. By then she just wanted to be friends.

I actively disliked Alistair (sorry, no fan I) and benched him pretty quickly so I don't think any female character I rolled would ever warm up to him.

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No worries, Yap, you can be a girl in DA2. I'm pretty sure all the party members are new, though.

 

I played and liked the demo, but having been unable to get into DA I'm hesitant to take this plunge. Besides, I have a lot of games to play, but for some reason I've been gravitating toward the PC recently rather than the mountain of console titles sitting on the shelf. Cursed Steam may ensnare me into DA2 yet.

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Yep, my elf and Alistair had a hot n' heavy romance. Every one of my other companions commented on it. It was quite entertaining for them. [Image Can Not Be Found] Adorable Zev was interested, but she turned him down.

I've heard rumors of a couple of companions either making cameos or returning for DA2, but I've avoided the majority of the information given so that it doesn't spoil the experience. I went into DA pretty much blind, I'm going for the same with DA2.

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I am so very weak. Played some DA2 last night. [Image Can Not Be Found]

The first thing I noticed was that my female rogue actually looks like she belongs with the Hawke family! Karma is dark-skinned as is the rest of her family. That was a pleasant surprise. (Unlike DA where my girl stuck out like a sore thumb. I was convinced she was adopted!) The game also allows you to import a save file (not the character) from DA so that the decisions you made there, carry over. There's already been a reference made regarding my female Grey Warden. I've also encountered a "returning" NPC from DA. I'll save the rest for an actual thread in Bollocks once I'm back from Italy.

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I'm going the same road as Steerpike (I can see he took the Steam DA2 plunge): backwards in the series.

 

Every time I play DAO I just can't get fully enveloped in it. I don't know what it is. Maybe I'm becoming lazier and lazier and do not want to work at things like inventory management and crafting (in that case I'll never finish The Witcher). Ever since Jade Empire in twenty aught five I have leaned more towards an RPG experience that involves little to no inventory management.

 

Anyway, I've just barely started DA2 and am going to see if that hooks me (it damn well better for 59.99). Maybe working through it will raise my care to finish the first game. I still think it's moronic to be called "2" when the first game was ": Origins". Whose bloody idea was that?

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I'm not much a crafter either xtal,  but in The Witcher I was making potions I almost immediately used up in combat so I had a lot of incentive to keep my supply well stocked. If crafting is just there for marketing purposes I quickly lose interest. I crafed a lot in DA:O too come to think of it, again mostly for personal use in combat. I'm a big fan of chugging potions.

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You're right, Scout, "pots" are definitely quite useful in Origins. I use them in almost every battle, and yes, I'm sad to admit, that I've lowered the combat difficulty from Normal to Easy. I don't know if I just suck at building a rogue, suck at party management (probably this), or is Origins just a very challenging game?

 

There's really nothing wrong with Origins' inventory management, as it's quite lean, and the potion making is not unnecessarily complex at all...I'm just making excuses here for my increasing curmudgeonism. Oh my god, I can't believe WP accepts "curmudgeonism" as a word?!

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I know what you mean, xtal. I get curmudgeonly about some games for no apparent reason. Some, like Dragon Age and Nehrim, click and others don't. I don't think I can even explain it half the time. Lately I'm impatient with almost every game I try out. I know it's me, not the games, at least for the most part. I'm thinking about starting STALKER over with the Complete Mod 2011 just to push my hardware, but of course I've mislaid my game dvd or loaned it out or just lost it and am waiting for another to arrive in the mail. I've already lost steam playing Dead Money, the first New Vegas DLC available for PC. I got pissy about the formulaic start and walked off about a third of the way though it. I mean, like the whole game isn't formulaic in the first place?

I never had a ton of trouble with DA:O, though, again, I didn't very far with the Awakening expansion.

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Scout, I know it's not a gritty world (what I think of as your preference, as opposed to mine which is fantasy), but look into the second Drakensang title, The River of Time. I haven't played either one but TRoT is top of my queue. Apparently no need to play in order, second improves on the first, $19.99 on both Steam & D2D.

Or, you could wait another month + when my wits return (from jet lag) and we could play Baldur's Gate II together. (mine with mods, always with mods [Image Can Not Be Found])

 

Xtal, I loathe crafting. Avoid it at all costs (fiddly inventory management of ingredients drives me insane). That admitted, I crafted pots in Witcher (thanks to a terrific pdf recipe list sent by Helmut) & crafted health/lirium (only, noooo buffs, too fiddly) pots in DA:O as backup for the many I found. If I can do pot-making, anyone can.

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I loved the first Drakensang and since the second is even better, I'll be getting it. Quite a bargain at Steam. I just finished Mafia 2–very good but it can't match the first one.

I don't like crafting either, but the pots in DA:O and The Witcher were quite easy to make and came in handy.

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Oddly, I've been thinking about making another run at BG2. I do prefer gritty, but have nothing against fantasy. I tried it a few years back and never got out of the starter dungeon but it felt like it was going to take off. Are you playing a "curated" total mod or just peicing individual mods together? I'm too impatient to fuss with a lot of moving parts but if there was a plug and play uber mod... Let's see where we are both at in a month.

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