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Steerpike
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September 15, 2011 - 10:29 pm
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Now Jakkar, be fair, I think the term "digitally lynched" is a bit harsh to describe my response. I was surprised at you. That's what I said and I leave it at that - and no more than that. You are, after all, dipping in and out of a community truly, bizarrely occupied by nice, polite, socially well-adjusted people. Even when we clash we tend to remember we're friends.

Finkbug is pretty good at defining people's excesses, but I disagree with him on this matter. I'm not going out of my way to be a Modern Sensitive Male; I'm just... shamed, I guess, by the idea that such things still exist. I didn't see "Faggy Knobgobbler" as an Achievement. Nor "Blackie Niggerton." Would either of those, if revealed, have taken the fun out of game development?

I too make the get-in-the-kitchen-and-make-me-a-sandwich joke. It's funny because anyone who knows me knows I'm not mocking women, I'm mocking those who mock women. But you've got to know your room if you're going to be a comedian. What's funny in one context is unforgivable in another. A private joke may be amusing, but if you unleash it on the public, you have to be prepared for rightful consequences.

This was not "one employee having a laugh." Games are not movies. They are not shrouded by secrecy during production. They are previewed by the press years before release; they are played by their developers - hundreds of people in some cases - throughout the cycle. Someone, somewhere, should have seen this and said something about it. It's not the sort of thing that can be hidden in game development.

During my Day Job I manage a team that creates games-based e-Learning. We use temporary names all the time, names like "Female Character," and "I Need A Quote Here," and "Still TBD."

If one of my people 'temporarily' used a phrase like "feminist whore" to describe anything, I'd be down to the Human Resources Department in a split second.

That's not "Modern Sensitive Male Too Much," that's "Not A Bigot," and thank you, I will gladly cling to that label.

Life is the misery we endure between disappointments.

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"Big 'ol rig over inappropriate to smoosh ya" was aimed at myself as much as Steer, Jakkar. I'm more catholic in my willingness to be offensive but in some ways even less accepting of offensiveness. For me it's a matter of it being in context or genuinely funny. The Duke Nukem offensiveness was both gratuitous and not funny, as an example, and stopped me cold on the series from the start.
I am too mean, especially to long suffering Steer, but at least they've got enough history putting up with (or ignoring, as I suspect several do) to deal with me and parse the intent.
It may be presumptuous to say but I don't think we were coming from exactly the same place.
 
Or, to use an offensive old saying, they already adopted a red-headed stepchild. [Image Can Not Be Found]
[edit] You've been the object of my prurient fantasies Jen, and you damn well know it. Last I checked I'm male but it's been a few hours since I peed.

grooowrrrr! [menace menace] rrrrowwwr!

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I do know you're right, Jen, that things will continue to change without any particular guiding force.

My aim is not, and will not ever be, to crusade vehemently while affixing labels to myself. I appreciate and take to heart everyone's comments, and accept that I've sounded perhaps eye-rollingly goofy.

The angle I've been speaking from is that of someone... disheartened by the subtle yet far-reaching effects of from-long-ago, deep seated, slowly-being-unhinged sexism.

My lament is the possibility of "thirty thousand years of barbarism," as opposed to one thousand, to paraphrase from a certain novel.

Is a more civil interim expecting too much? (That is a rhetorical question. I am leaving it at that.)

If being wrong's a crime I'm serving forever

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grooowrrrr! [menace menace] rrrrowwwr!

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