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Finkbug
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Blizzard has long been intentionally blurring the lines between my suggested player types. You blurred yourself by reaching 76 on a character but didn't stay stuck. Why did you play to 76? Were you collecting pets? Learning profession recipes? Exploring? Gleefully killing mobs? [Image Can Not Be Found]

In my current super casual guild I see a player who hit max level when I joined, about a week ago, getting frustrated. Bored. He doesn't want to gear up to raid (rather, he loves having great gear, but doesn't want to do anything which uses it) so he's both churning alts and collecting reps for mount collection on the maxed main.

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It's turning into a freakin' research project. Spent an hour (it'd've been fifteen minutes without the language hurdles) interviewing a player new to the game with Cataclysm.

He wants to see the story but is frustrated because he is leveling so quickly huge chunks get missed. At 50 he'd never left his starting continent and hadn't seen most of even that one. It was all gray. His question was if he should keep doing stuff way below level or push forward. The answer, of course, depends how he wants to play but it did crystalize something that'd been nagging at me. The leveling curve is now completely disconnected from the content. I'm no WoW luddite pining for the sometimes brutal climb of the original game, and WoW has always had many interlocking or parallel stories not all of which would be seen by one character–a strength–but Blizzard has made the game so easy and fast in the revamped old zones (I've not yet experienced 80-85 content) that even with new info dumps, some elegant and some awkward as hell, the experience of the world has broken.

Breadcrumb quests are added in the major cities, suggesting players go here or there when they reach an appropriate level, but there is no information where the places are or how to reach them. A fine idea but no information is given concerning where they are or how to reach them which is an odd combination. More importantly, most of them will already be under-level roflstomps once reached. My interviewee had a quest log full of breadcrumbs leading to stale locations and I have the same.

We finally leveled the guild–guilds level now–to four, and the perk for members is…faster leveling.

There is a ton of great stuff and I recommend WoW, but it's breaking into discrete chunks. Some times intentionally and some times not.

Zone specific, Un'goro's streamlined quite a bit. Still gorgeous and painfully ugly depending where you turn the camera. (Hint: don't look at the canopy from below.) Most of the old quests still exist or are referenced but have been moved to new locations and made easier. Link is gone forever. A new quest chain, an extended Don Quixote gag, would be a lot of fun if it weren't maddeningly buggy.

It's also odd; having played games, and WoW, for so long I could tell instantly which things in the environment would be tied to a quest later. That's me, not WoW, but I'm starting to see how people who create games (or movies, what have you) start having trouble enjoying them. Consumer->aware and critical consumer->too damn aware and seeing the hooks outlined in neon. My first experience of this, different but related, was reading Steinbeck as a kid. I dubbed it hint-clunk foreshadowing. Got a C on that paper, which was supposed to be about the elements and not the levers.

ramble mode off, time to visit Outland

[edit] Short version. Before a character saw all the zones but not everything in them. Now a character sees a few zones and everything in them. It's balkanized.

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Great points (and great read) Fink. I wish your generous friend hadn't drawn you into Euro WoW! I'm definitely a mix of type 1 and 2. I'm casual in the sense that I generally dislike all forms of humanity, hence don't play well with others unless like minded (hard to find in WoW), I never put mods on the game just to make myself "better" ... and any guild who requires mods can sod off.

 

I've done pretty well to stick with just two characters in Cataclysm (a 27 worgen hunter and a 42 draenai paladin); usually I keep recreating new ones, not because I like to experience starting zones, but because I think I'm some sort of anti-MMO person. I think I'm afraid of end game content because it demands skill, commitment, or both. And not just to myself or the game, but other people, and that's the worst part. I could never be as good as all those other end game people because I simply don't wish to be. Even if I did I don't think I could pull it off.

 

Another thing re: guilds: Do you notice most if not all guilds are 1 word names and very serious. So serious it's to the point of nonsense or embarrassment. Devotion, Conviction, Obsidian, Reckoning, Ascent, blah blah blah etc etc etc. So dry and serious. Whyyyy so serious? Why aren't there guilds named after internet memes, or pop culture references? Why is everyone playing WoW so goddamn serious about it? BE TEH B3ST OR GTFO!!!!!1 On the other hand any guild that isn't so sincere it's tragic seems to be named like the one I'm in ("WereSuperAwesome" ... yeah, bad grammar and all).

Why isn't there a guild called So Long, and Thanks for all the Murlocs? Why isn't there a guild of orcs called Fear of a Green Planet? WHY ISN'T ANYONE WHO PLAYS WORLD OF WARCRAFT A FUNNY, INTELLIGENT, OR INTERESTING PERSON?!?!?!?

Excuse me... I'm going to go form a 1-person guild after some kind of Devo reference...

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Thanks beak-ed one. No idea what to do. Cataclysm's not purchased for either. The EU server, the guild is great but there is zip for endgame. Not sure there's a single alliance guild trying to kill a damn thing. I'm a #2 so the idea of endlessly churning new characters for something to do makes my sinuses hurt. I may be back on that silly RP US server soon.

Not inherently an MMO player myself. There's the I Am Misanthrope plus some of the competence issues you mention. The game has to be extraordinarily good to flip me into a #2 (this is starting to feel like some analog of the Kinsey scale).

I'd instantly quit WoW forever if I couldn't use mods. Vaguely, inconsistently against in a single player RPG but my WoW is smothered in mod sauce. Spearmint with a little ajawain. Blizzard expects them to be used and over time adds many of their features to the base game. Sometimes in nearly useless versions [cough Blizzard threat meter cough] but often whole hog.

The value of a threat meter can not be overstated. That's the one absolute requirement for grouping or even soloing as a pet class. It is impossible to consistently and accurately track threat in your head. Anyone who says otherwise is full of poop.

 

The hideousness of guildnames is a real problem but arthritic Adams jokes are no solution

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You've got me there 🙂

I'd just appreciate even a faint attempt at humour from some players. I don't see many people operating outside of extremes: player names are either some elvish word dug up from Tolkien lore or "Maneatspoop."

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I created a guild called 'Scared Critless'... but it was just for my family to play in =P

A man goes to knowledge as he goes to war, wide awake, with fear, with respect, and with absolute assurance. – The Teachings of Don Juan

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Here are the only guilds I've ever been in (in WoW):

 

Chaos Theory

Rebirth

Legendary Brotherhood

Crimson Syndicate

WereSuperAwesome

Fun With Friends

 

... see where my sadness lies? Even Scared Critless, Jarrod, is silly and likeable. Probably because you're a likeable, bright guy without his head stuck so far up WoW's ass!

 

Anyway, I quit WereSuperAwesome because I felt like an arse every time I dungeoned with randoms with that shit floating over my head. It's not even remotely funny, it's just terrible, so yeah.

I'm still working out a good name that should float over my head. I had one good (at least I think *awaits Fink's disapproval*) idea: reference to a Sleater-Kinney album I like while also a mildly amusing paladin joke (because I am a paladin): All Hands on the Bad One.

Can't come up with anything else. And no, I don't even want other people in my guild. I couldn't run a guild if my life depended on it.

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Ah, flattery will get you everywhere!  Sadly I haven't heard any Sleater-Kinney, so the reference is lost, but as a guild name that would be pretty cool.

 

Scared Critless was just a social guild more than anything else.  They've probably got one - but I'd like to see a guild peopled with Tauren Paladins, called 'Holy Cow'.

A man goes to knowledge as he goes to war, wide awake, with fear, with respect, and with absolute assurance. – The Teachings of Don Juan

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I've never made a guild other than for more bank alts. World's (and Azeroth's worst) leader though despite my protests I consistently get roped into some sort of officer role. I find non-jerks running one and join theirs. The names are always terrible. Every darn one.

Jarrod, I love you to bits, but I bet there are thousands of characters and probably hundreds of guilds with that name.

My rule of thumb is if you need to put a diacritical on it to use the name, the joke's far too obvious and time to move on. Proudest of a warlock named Assumption. Bunch of jokes packed in. Also practical. Everyone defaults to calling you ass and if they are asses you can use the log to report them for it and get them a ban.

My bank guilds have been Transfat, Speculum, Downsideup, Alas, Bellcurvefailure, Fredandnancy...and I've forgotten the others.

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Got an error and this post went up three times. Can't edit previous two or delete dupes. If a mod has a second, mind cleaning the mess up?

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IT IS DONE*

 

 

 

*(that was said in a deity-like voice)

Life is the misery we endure between disappointments.

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It is still echoing through my soul Steer and I shall be forever afraid and weak kneed. Cowed and grateful.

 

A new Tauren cow joke is an interesting project. With millions already doing them for years, a tough project. Maybe auroch gags? Anyone got ideas? Should be easily checkable against armory to see if we can find a truly new one. I summon the [pauses to put on spiked blue hair anime wig] Power of Tap!

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Are Auroch's the bird-people again?  I can't remember...

A man goes to knowledge as he goes to war, wide awake, with fear, with respect, and with absolute assurance. – The Teachings of Don Juan

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