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I hate to say it Yapette, but I think  you're right.  However, elves, dragons, spells and potions aren't my thing.  So in a few months when I finish F3 I'll be looking for suggestions for RPG #2.  It's the reality, or potential reality, that I like about this game.  Real place.  Real humans.  Mutant species that might be if we don't get our act together.

Below is what I meant to post about an hour ago.  My internet connection was out, so here it is later.  Since then I've killed 4 or 5 ants in Grayditch but ran out of ammo and came back to Megaton to buy more.  I don't know how many ants there are, but I hope I kill them all before I run out of ammo and caps.  Phew!

Thought I'd go the Gnome route with decoratin' but it seems that Myra's themes are way beyond my means.  It's hand-me-downs for now.  Yapette is still Queen of the Gnomes!

I didn't know that was what those items were for, Pokey.  I though they might be (along with old tin cans and empty glass bottles) things that could be used as ammo later, or for trading.  I have the glove as well as a bat and ball, a bear, truck and lunchbox.   There is a second bear in the sheriff's house, but since his son lives there alone, I didn't have the heart to take that one.  I passed up another one somewhere last night.  Might have been at the Mart.  But I want some of those gnomes!  Haven't seen one yet, but now I know what to do with them.

Off to Greyditch again with a bigger gun.  Maybe this time I'll have a chance at living long enough to get to the diner, and hopefully finish this quest.  Then on to Arefu to deliver Lucy's letter and complete that quest - if I can avoid being drawn into to family problems.  In Arefu I also hope to scoop up another bobblehead and some other goodies.  Maybe Arefu has Ye Olde Gnome Shoppe!

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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Hey Spike, the Greyditch firebreathing ants quest is brutal. It is not for low-level characters, or those with any kind of ammunition or stimpack deficit. It's a fun quest, and definitely worth doing if you've got LOTS of bullets and stimpacks, but those ants actually get even tougher the deeper you go. Hint: shoot at their antennae. Still, I propose Arefu and a bit more general adventuring before Greyditch... the ammo/stim requirements of that place call for a lot of cash.

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I love you guys, I really do.  But now that Steerpike has given me the lowdown on dem ants, I think I need to have a drink and then go buy some more Stimpak and big ammo.  Grenades maybe.  But I'll start with the antennae.  [Image Can Not Be Found]

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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Now I am shown to be the weenie that I am.  Feeling real tough with my trusty lead pipe that dispatches many foes quite well, along with a couple of good guns, but not enough ammo for them, I head NW toward Arefu.  Getting dark.  Lead Pipe (gonna give it a name) made short work of large flies of some kind as well as several baseball bat wielding raiders.  I reach the shore of a pond or lake, across which I can see Arefu.  Goodie!  Just gotta walk around the lake and I am safe.  Bam!  A Mirelurk.  That was the end of me with my kick-ass Pipe.  I had no defense, and more importantly, no offense.  Well.

So, the Mirelurk.  I assume it got its name because it lurks in the mire (lake, pond) so today I will head toward Arefu taking the really long way around.  I hope that if I avoid the mire, the Lurk won't find me.  Just a thought.

And if I don't reach Arefu this time, well, there are so many other places to go.  The quest can wait.

Hey Spike, the Greyditch firebreathing ants quest is brutal.

After another trip that upped my dead-ant count to 7, I was out of ammo, and out of me.  Couldn't find a trader around, and the Supply store was closed.  So I headed to Arefu with the aforementioned result.

Note to self: beef up lockpicking skills so I can get into that Armory.  I think that was one of the doors I could pick with higher LP skill.  Either that or I have to get good at pickpocketing and the lack-of-conscience it will take to steal from homes and businesses.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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The Mirelurks are nasty things, with armored skin (shells??). I first ran into them in a tunnel near the river. I would line the corridor with mines then pop one with a bullet and run. If not too many followed the mines would get them. If one made it through I would just run then return when I had more mines. Later I was able to take them head on. 

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Spike, those Mire thingies are tough too. Best left for the shotgun and one of the really necessary uses of the pip-boy since you must aim at its teeny tiny face. Doing so in real time just didn't work for me at all. I disliked them and stealthed around as much as possible to avoid any contact with them.

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I think you should find another way into Arefu. I remember running into those tough creatures after I visited the town and tried to go around the lake. Have you done Moira's quests yet. I think they are easier than than some of the areas you visited.

Grenades were effective against ants in the tunnels.

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Mirelurks gave me difficulty for a long time. I think you can avoid them so long as you stay a good 50-100' from any water.

Life is the misery we endure between disappointments.

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Last week, a couple of days after starting F3, my son asked how it was going.  I told him I was nervous, but thought I’d like the game.  I told him he could have the game when I was done if he thought he’d like it too.  He said he would.  Last night he again wanted to know how it was going.  Told him, and also told him it would be at least a couple of months before I finished – if I did.  He said he didn’t mind waiting.

Then I thought:  why should I suffer alone (no, no, no -  make that) have so much fun alone?  I ordered the game for him last night, enclosing a note saying “Open BEFORE Christmas and use.”  He has much less time to play than I do, but with FPS and RPG experience he could catch up to me in a couple of days.  I’m hoping he has time to do so.

After failing to make Arefu on Thursday night I decided to try again last night.  It was after 11pm before I had a chance to play.  I was tired and thought that an hour would be all I could manage.  Finally shut my computer down at about 3:30am.

To avoid the Mirelurks I went the long way around hoping to come at Arefu from the west or north.  At least this time it was “daytime”, so I thought that would help.  Killed some raiders and creatures along the way but got to the general area and couldn’t find Arefu.  Found Seneca Metro Station with Ghouls who weren’t dangerous, and wanted to pay caps for some stuff I had and didn’t need.  Also found some good aids. 

Then found Hamilton’s Hideaway with some good tools and a radscorpion.  (I hope I’ll get the chance to trade away some of the large stockpile I have of mystery meats.  I need ammo, not meat.)  But where is Arefu?  Getting dark, so..

Went back to my house to offload some of my booty and take a long nap.  Went back to search for Arefu in the daylight.  My map told me I must be right on top of Arefu, but I couldn’t find it.  Back and forth, back and forth.  Turns out I was not on top of Arefu, but under it.  What a small, poor, sad little place.  Sad to not be able to complete this quest in the way I thought I would. 

I wish the Supply store had regular hours (!).  I couldn’t break into the store if I wanted to – my skills aren’t that high yet.  I’ve got a couple of decent guns, but am short of ammo.  Got some from a trader, and picked up a few rounds in my scrounging, but I need a ready source.  Got quite a few grenades now, and a couple of mines.  Those are best saved for almost-hopeless situations, or if tunnel clearing is needed.  Maybe with a few more grenades I can head back to Grayditch and use them on the fireants.

Now I need to work on upping my lockpicking and repair skills.  At the beginning of the game I though food was going to be a problem, but it’s not.  There’s plenty of that to be found, bought, or killed.  It’s the ammo, stupid!  I am really loving my lead pipe.  Environmentally friendly, deadly to many enemies.  [Image Can Not Be Found]

Fun!

P.S.  I sure wish this forum software included the strikeout function.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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We've been meaning to upgrade to the newest version, but I want to be sure that it saves everything (like user logins and smilies) before we do anything rash. Maybe the update will include strikeout. I too love it.

I was hoping for a bustling town when I first headed to Arefu - perhaps they'd have an ammunition shop - and was as heartbroken as you when I finally located the town. The letter quest is, though, one of the great examples of Bethesda Quest Development, in that there are several equally valid ways to solve it.

Once Spike, Jr. is playing, we should add him to the Bollocks thread. 🙂

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I love my son to bits, Steerpike, mostly because of my 2 he is so very much like me.  At 31 he's a full-fledged adult, and now understands that parents are real people too. 

But he's been surprised that there are so many older gamers, female gamers, and not just those that play Nancy Drew. [Image Can Not Be Found][Image Can Not Be Found][Image Can Not Be Found]  He thinks this is a very good thing.  But of course!  Heck, he and I played the first couple of Zelda games on the very first Nintendo, so he gets that even moms play games.

That said, I think I want to keep TR for me.  I occasionally make a snide (but always loving) comment about one of my kids, and they shouldn't have to see that.  But we'll see.  If he actually gets to playing I might offer to welcome him to the TR way.  He's crazy smart, irreverent, a cynical optimist, and funny, and hates fuddy-duddyness in people of any age, so he'd fit right in.

Oh, to get the chores and shopping done so I can play today!  Lots of today.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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Still here.  Learning, progressing and having lots of fun.  I am about 100pts. from lvl. 5.  Completed the Blood Ties quest (Arefu, The Family, Will) on Sunday.  I'm about 75% finished with the Wasteland Survival Quest.  I have several open quests including Those! (Grayditch, ants), and Strictly Business (Paradise Falls, slaves).  I don't know what I'll do about that last one.  Maybe ignore it completely, or go talk to the people I'm supposed to enslave.  I accidentally killed one of them (Arkansas) when I got lost in my wanderings and ended up in in Minefield – shoot, I ended up in Paradise Falls the same way.  He kept sniping from on high, so I felt I had no choice but to take him out when he came down to finish me off.

Those Grayditch ants are really something.  Even with fire resistance, it takes much effort and ammo to kill them.  And there are SO many of them.  I made it into the Marigold tunnels last night.  I tell ya, Grayditch and the metro station are littered with corpses of the ants I've killed, and they just keep coming.  I hope to finish that quest tomorrow.  First I need to stock up on more…

…frag mines.  Fast becoming my favorite weapon for killing ants.  They also work well on Mirelurks, SuperMutants and Radscorpions.  Used 20 of them just last night in Grayditch.  Need more.  Neither Moira in the store nor the 3 traders I can regularly find have any (I snatched up all they had a few days ago).    I need to do more scavenging hoping to find more of them as well as bobby pins.  Need bobby pins for locked things.  I've been through a bunch of them, breaking many, and I've still got quite a few safes and boxes and doors left to pick

I've got gobs of caps and stuff to trade/buy/repair with, but finding a source for the 2 things I most need right now is tough. 

I even found my first gnome last night!  It was damaged, but a gnome, nonetheless.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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You might try Rivet City, Spike, which is in a general sort of way in the direction you're going. Making it there means a fairly grueling trip through the Metro, but it will leave you very close to Three Dog's radio station and a couple other important downtown haunts. The bazaar there has - in my experience - a better selection of weapons, ammunition, and explosives than other towns. Look for the aircraft carrier near the national archives. Good luck!

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P.S.  My fridge (in-game) contains enough strange food to host a bizarre thanksgiving dinner for about 50 people (presumably ones I don't much like).

The menu would include:

Yum Yum Deviled Eggs and potato crisps for appetizers.

Ant, mirelurk, dog, bloatfly, iguana and molerat meats.

Side dishes of Blamco Mac and Cheese, Dandy Boy apples, crunch mutfruit, instamash and pork n' beans.

Dessert would be Fancy Lads Snack Cakes and SugarBombs.

I'd serve a well-decanted Nuka-Cola with this mouth-watering meal.

On the other hand, maybe I should just trade all this food for weapons.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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Thanks Steerpike. I'd been putting off crossing the Potomac thinking that a higher level with better skills, and more and better weapons, ammo and armor would be a necessity.  What the heck?  The worst that can happen is that I get very dead and have to load an earlier save.  Besides, this is the time of the year to venture far afield for one's shopping.

And yet, there is still so very much unexplored territory west of the river.  I haven't ventured into the SW quadrant of the Wasteland at all, and there is still so much of the other areas that I have yet to see.  So much to see and do.  So little time.

Can I go back into the Miresti Train Yard tunnels?  Would they trade with me now that they are done with me.  When I went to complete the Blood Ties Quest I bought some stuff from their trader.  Good stuff; fair prices, but I didn't need much, and didn't know what I'd need later, so I bought little.  I thought about going back to shop, but it was harder to get out of the tunnels after the quest than it was to get in.  I kept getting shot at.  Shopping shouldn't be that hard.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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Spike,  it is time for you to cross the Potomac and  go into DC.   This will start moving your game forward a bit in terms of the story.   The DC experience is not fun. You meet many nasties there.   But you learn a lot from it.  And it is the only way to move the game forward.  kay

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Kay and Steerpike:  I decided to take  your advice and head toward Rivet City.  I took the long way, S then E, to see what I could find of the things I need along the way.  I found the Nuka-Cola Plant, an Enclave camp that I promptly moved away from, some nasty Raiders shooting fire at me, The Citadel, and happily, got to Arlington Library.  Then time to quit for the night.  I will continue to head E, hoping I won't have to swim across the river. 

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I just reread all of my F3 posts starting in WTFK and then over to Bollocks.  Wow.  35-40 (the game tells me) hours of play over 16 days.  I sure have learned a bunch.  I always mean to track my playing time in actual hours played, but always forget.  I don't know if F3 counts all time played including reloads, but it doesn't matter.  Lots of hours of fun.  $$ well-spent.

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Spike, you are listening to your favorite ingame radio dj, right?

The Library & Museum are both good places to visit if you can get in (alive).

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I turned the radio off some time ago because it was distracting, but I know what you refer to, and will get back to that quest.  Entered the front door of the Library and made a deal with the Scribe for pre-war books.  I've got a couple at home, and know where there are more.  Didn't take them at the time because they added weight, but no great apparent value.  But if I can get in good with the Scribe....

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