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Kay and Spike play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Gulp!
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Scout said:

Would that quest be:

 

I think I have that one in my PDA.  I was gonna get to it.  But I think I found a note/letter, or maybe a PDA, on some guy's body that makes that quest less important than you might think it is, but I'm sure there is a good reason to go there as if you had to do the quest to move forward.

And .... dreams are revealing, are they not?

 

I'm not getting the good quote format, but I don't care.  You are still the CSS god to me Steerpike, because  I know not the first thing about this stuff.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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thanks for the tip, Helmut. I'm bad at reading in-game journals in general.  I don't think I've read my pda for quite a while other than to check out "Tasks" to see whether I've completed a quest or not.

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In going through my saves, it looks like maybe the quest is autogenerated now. It's hard to tell because the notification that quests arrive might be transient and a person sometimes is neck deep in suspiciously snork flavoured shooting raptors. The quest was in my PDA far longer than I had expected. Anyway. Enjoy. [Image Can Not Be Found]

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I had a computer guy at my home today to solve my major computer problem - the computer kept freezing up.  He did solve this.  And since he was here,  we solved other minor problems and frustration.  And set up an update schedule for what he thinks I must update.  We worked on my computer for 3 hours.  It works better than when I bought it.  He was not cheap but he was worth every penny I paid for him.

Now here is the odd thing.  When we got my calendar to work and he saw what was on it, he said, "You saw the Dalai Lama. My wife and I saw him when he was here 10 years ago. It was one of the greatest experiences of our life. We wanted to see him this time but it isn't the right time for our kids."

My computer consultant loves the Dalai Lama as much as I do.

And then when I asked him how he ended up doing what he does, it went back to Control Data.  His father worked for Control Data and he got acess to Plato and loved it.  And when Plato shut down,  we hired a shit load of their people.  That became the core of out computer  group.

OK here is what I am saying.  This is synchronisity.  I can understand how my computer consultant had a father who worked for Control Data and knew about Plato.  I am amazed that he also is in awe of the Dalai Lama.

This is sychronicity. 

Kay 

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@Kay:  what an amazing non-coincidence!

 

A question for anyone who has visited the Duty outpost near the Army Warehouses:

 

On my first visit to the outpost Skull gave me the job of going across the road to the Freedom outpost to kill the sniper in the tower so that they (Duty) could go attack.  It took me all of 15 minutes to talk my way in, climb the tower, kill the sniper, and fast-travel out of there to the checkpoint for Army Warehouses.  I walked back to find Skull and he and all his guys were gone.  I guess they went across the road to attack, and didn't come back.  My PDA shows the job completed, but it moved it to the Completed section eventhough I didn't get the reward.  "Go back for the reward" is now marked in red.  I assume that is because there is no longer a Skull to go get my reward from.  And the guy owes me 4000RU!  Am I reading this right?  And am I right in thinking that this kind of thing will happen again?  I mean, if I'm gonna risk my life for someone else's job, I darned well want my reward!

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Spike,

I went the other way, took a Freedom quest to tag along with a Freedom crew intent on wiping out Skull and the Duty guys.  Skull and the boys were in a farmhouse down the way from Freedom's main gate...back toward the entrance to the bar, first farmhouse on the left. They might be there unless the Freedom guys left without you. Unless that is the outpost you are  talking about.

By the way, I did the quest 4 times as an experiment. Twice Freedom prevailed and twice Duty prevailed...for no apparent reason since I never fired a shot once. 

Also I found I could practically wipe out the entire Freedom base with a silenced weapon and if they never saw me they would remain neutral. I reloaded in the end and left them alive.

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Kay, what's Control Data and Plato? The Dali Lama I've heard of. [Image Can Not Be Found]  I know I could google it but I want to goad you into posting more...

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That's a cool story, Kay. It's neat how all things are connected, often in the most unconnected-seeming ways.

 

Scout, when Stalkers are in combat they're completely under the control of A-Life, so it doesn't surprise me that you saw multiple outcomes to the same battle. This AI allows creatures to make snap decisions based on a very large number of contributing factors that wouldn't be constant from replay to replay. Which is really cool. A-Life has a lot of problems, but it's quite revolutionary too!

Also: you may note that the block quotes are messed up again. That's because fixing them broke everything else. But I am on the case!

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It was a great way to see the AI in action. The Freedom squad approached the farmhouse from a hill above it. I followed behind (waiting to loot a better weapon from a dead Freedom Stalker) and each time the squad took a different route down to the Duty outpost.

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Good luck in the Zone, all. I'll be laying on the beach for the next week, so I'll catch up with all this upon my return! (No, not a beach in Svalbard. Sorry, Steer.)

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My particulary copy of Stalker is cursed.  So many of the people that I've had to meet and help, or get jobs or info from, have died.  Usually it happens just after I meet them and do what I'm asked to do.  Most often it happens after I've left.  I come back, and they're dead.  Just a few good examples are Wolf, Fox, Serity and Bes.  Now it is the guys at the Army Warehouses.  I always approach a gate/checkpoint with weapon holstered.  I talk to get info.  I did that at AW.  While talking to the guys at the gate shooting broke out way back in the camp.  I ran into the guard house and waited for the fighting to end.  Then I began to explore the place.  Long story short, Lukash and Skinflint are dead, as are many more of Lukash's men.  Screw and 8-10 others are still alive, but this closes off access to jobs and info.  I'd wandered the place and found stashes, and looted many goodies from the dead bodies.  Made several trips in and out.

I now have to go back and reload a game from before getting to AW.  I might lose 5-6 hours of game, but I want a better outcome.  Frustrating.

On another subject, what does the yellowish up-pointing arrow in a box under some inventory items mean?

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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I think the arrow means an upgraded weapon. So it's a good thing.

Sorry about losing the Freedom base so quickly. I did read that actions with these two factions have pretty quick consequences but that seems a little extreme. I can't remember much from before the Bar as that was so long ago. Since I will pick up on the Cordon once I get back to this game I should snoop around some and look up old buddies. I have a feeling the Dark Valley is pretty much off limits at this point though. I do have some failed Protect the Camp quests so there might be a lot of dead comrades.

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You guys going to push to the finish tonight? Rapture tomorrow and all so you might not get any  more playing in. [Image Can Not Be Found][Image Can Not Be Found][Image Can Not Be Found]

Be a shame not to finish a game about the end of the world because of the end of the world.

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What no STALKER in paradise?

Oh. Right. [Image Can Not Be Found]

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I think we have until 6pm local time. So you've got whatever's left of today where you are and most of tomorrow.

Annoyingly I have to speak at a conference. They booked me a couple months ago, before the Rapture was announced (obviously I would have said no if I'd known about the Rapture). So I'm the guy who's stuck at a conference on the day the world ends. Crap on stick.

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Should we all be playing Bioshock over the next 24 hours or so???  [Image Can Not Be Found]

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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Scout said:

Kay, what's Control Data and Plato? The Dali Lama I've heard of. [Image Can Not Be Found]  I know I could google it but I want to goad you into posting more...

Scout, you asked for it.   So here goes.

Control Data wa founded by Cray and they developed the first and second generations of super-computers. 

They were doing supercomputers but many people who worked there believed computers could change the lives of ordinary people. Computers could be used to educate people. You need to understand that this was many, many, many years before personal computers.  We are talking the 1970s here.

So they started a project called PLATO.  It developed a sort of minicomputer station that could get onto their super computer over the phone lines to do courses.  But more importantly,  they developed an authoring system that worked phenomenally well for educational programs.  But Plato was way ahead of its time and it went nowhere.  They shut it down.

Well, we hired a lot of their people.  They understood computers and education and that was where we were going as we worked with Fortune 500 companies.

Someone got or bought their authoring system and turned it into Authorware.   Authorware was the first really sophisticated authoring program for computer-based educational or training programs.   We used it for many years until we had to migrate our programs to the internet.

So that is the story.  I will be surprised if you have gotten here to the end.  [Image Can Not Be Found]

Kay

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I'll be damned, Kay, I never knew that. I used to work in Authorware a fair amount, back when I developed e-Learning for the government. It's amazing that a platform so robust and feature rich would have its beginnings back before the concept of online learning, LMS, and even multimedia were sparkles in their creators' eyes. 

I keep wondering what Adobe will do with Authorware now it has the property, but so far... nothin'. Thanks for the background!

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A question:  Does anyone know where I can find the game data files for STALKER Complete.   When I was working with the computer guy to back up important stuff from my computer,  we didn't seem to be able to find those files.  When we went to the STALKER files under THQ, they didn't have the recent dates when I had been playing.  And I didn't know where else to look.  Any suggestions?   Kay

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Steerpike said:

I used to work in Authorware a fair amount, back when I developed e-Learning for the government. It's amazing that a platform so robust and feature rich would have its beginnings back before the concept of online learning, LMS, and even multimedia were sparkles in their creators' eyes

 

Steerpike,  I always thought Authorware was elegant given the time it was developed.  Kay

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