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Jarrod's Fallout 3, Part 2
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Jarrod
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I started playing with all of the add-ons installed - if it wasn't for my previous hick-up when I finished the main sequence, I would never have noticed any discontinuity.  For me, the biggest payoff of the DLC is being able to continue adventuring after the main quest sequence has finished.

 

I've now finished the main series of quests dealing with Point Look Out, and I'm doing the Chinese Spy quests, which are interesting... I don't know what they're leading too yet, but that's a good thing - sometimes it's easy to guess how things will play out too early, spoiling the adventure.

A man goes to knowledge as he goes to war, wide awake, with fear, with respect, and with absolute assurance. – The Teachings of Don Juan

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Have you started Broken Steel yet?  If so, what did ya think?

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Hi guys! I'm pretty new to the site, and have spent a bit of time
reading all your Fallout posts in the Bullocks section of the forums.

I thought I'd fill you all in on my experiences with the game, as I can see there are plenty of fans here. [Image Can Not Be Found]

I bought the collectors edition when it came out as I'd been a fan of
the original two games. It was the best game purchase of my life! Since
then, this is the game I've spent the longest hours on. The sheer size
of it has let me play so many times, exploring every nook and cranny.
It's been nearly 2 years now, and I still play it and am still finding
new things to do and see all the time. I play on a PC, and after playing
the vanilla game through once, I've since played it over and over with
tons of mods.

The modding community out there is amazing. Fallout Nexus has added so
much replay value, it's simply unbelievable. DC Interiors (mentioned by
Spike) is a favorite. The various hair packs add a lot of fun looks to
the game. I've added mods that let me have Amata as a companion with the
voice acting and everything! A mod called PCIdles is great, since it
let's your character do all sorts of idle animations while just standing
around. I love seeing my lone wanderers take a swig of whiskey or
randomly take a photo of something. Another fun little mod called
shellrain leaves all the ammo shells that fall to the floor when you're
shooting in existence which is a nice little touch. It always
disappointed me to see them disappear.. DC Confidential scatters some 50
(or more) random notes all over the wasteland from before the
apocalypse. They are pretty well written and a dd a lot of texture and
character to the game.

One of my all time favorite mods is one called Tailor Maid which creates
all the outfits in the game in parts, allowing you to mix and match
tons of different outfits, and create entirely new ones in the process.
I've been using a lot of the Alternate Start mod as well, which lets you
play the game as something other then a vault dweller. Anything from a
wastelander, to an android, to a raider who can go hang with other
raiders!! Lots of fun! I also use mods to lessen the amount of goods and
ammo in the wasteland, as I find the game gets too easy as you collect
too much loot, and the lack of goods makes it a lot more exciting (this
is after many play throughs mind you.)

All in all, I tend to have between 50-100 mods at any given time at this point!

As for the expansions, I've played each at least twice over.

Op Anch: My least favorite. The back story for the war is kind of fun,
and it's cool to work with the Outcasts a bit, but overall it just
wasn't really my thing. And as neat as the Chinese stealth  suit is, it
seems out of place to run around in it in the wastes.

The Pitt: I really like this one. The decision you have to make near the
end is so tough. You go through so much of it hating the slavers, and
then if you read Ashers holodisks before choosing a side, the decision
suddenly becomes real tough. Whichever side I chose, I always feel like a
jerk. But its written in such a believable way that I still love it.

Broken Steel: I have somewhat mixed feelings about this one. I love most
of it, especially being able to play after the main game, but parts of
the airport and such become too heavy on the ultra violence and loose
some of the story telling and exploring I love so much.

Point Lookout: I love this one. PL is a great change of scenery from the
wasteland, and the "walk" you take near the end is such a memorable
time, especially after everything you've been through at that point. I
don't want to say more for those who haven't played it, but it is
awesome.

Zeta: This one seems like a light-hearted, almost goofy romp after all
the other ones. I can appreciate it for what it is, though the weapons
you get coming out are way too powerful for most of the game.

This is my favorite game, hands down. I've played tons of video games in
my lifetime, but nothing ever sparked my imagination and wonder more then
this game. I'm not going to link to it, as it's embarrassing to even
mention it, but somewhere out there is over a 100 pages of fan fic I
even wrote for this game (though never finished) telling a story that
starts with the vault dweller leaving the vault, all the way to Asher's
(Pitt) daughter Maria growing up to be an adult. I've never written
fanfic before, and I doubt I'll do it again, but there it is.

I look forward to following all your posts that hopefully will keep
coming. It's been fun reliving the newness of the game through your
writings.

And once again, I freakin' love this game!!

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What a neat post, Armand. I think you're going to like it here in Bollocks, way back behind the front page. It's where we parallel play together (same game, single player) but also where we tend to get even more off topic if that's seems possible.

 

Spike will be thrilled to *personally* meet a player who has spent even more time than she has in Fallout 3 – one who can suggest & advise on her next batch of mods. [Image Can Not Be Found]

 

EDIT: I must squeeze in this comment before Helmut's after reading the first page. Armand! Both my husband & I graduated from the American Community School (ACS) in Beirut. My dad worked at Tapline in Rue Hamra, my husband was a boarding student from 8-12th gr. In college I spent summers there & took classes at AUB (American University of Beirut).  Was there when The Phoenicia opened, stayed at the St. Georges before that (used to go water skiing at their dock). All this pre-troubled times during Beirut's Golden Age (1960s). Wonderful memories, wish that they were yours.

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Armand, that is some awesome work. I'd write a ditty but all my best stuff is geared towards bitching about PHP and/or the silo. The amount of effort to maintain 50-100 mods is impressive I would think.

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Welcome Armand!

I'm playing Operation Anchorage now. Spent way to much time lost in the first section, i.e. taking out the three guns. Finally got my bearings and am about to start the new quest to take on the hardened sites. I know everyone says this is their least favorite add-on but so far I like it better than the Pitt in some ways. I guess I'm just in the mood to "kill rats". I played Morrowind for about 18 straight months many years ago and after a hard day at work I would relax by launching the game, going to some random part of the map and start hitting rats with a sword. Now I call anything in a game that is mechanical and repetitious, "killing rats". Guess I'm in the mood. I changed my mind in the Pitt and left the baby in the cradle intead of returning it to the slaves. I forgot to read the holodisks though. Just went on gut instinct.

I hardly use mods and haven't installed any for Fallout 3. I once did a big mod of Morrowind and it was kinda fun but I usually don't like to fuss with them. I used a half dozen mods in Oblivion to smooth over a few of the more annoying "features" like being endlessly attacked by wolves. I think I used the torch mod too and some others I forget.

 

Once I finish Anchorage I'll have to actually buy some more add ons, I guess. Point Lookout seems like fun.

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Apologies to Jarrod for the hijack.

Hey Yap, can I live in Tangentistan too?

I'll make a point after some meandering.  I live one short mile from St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.  For those who might not know, the hospital was founded by Danny Thomas, an actor and comedian who was quite popular in the 1940's-1960's.  When I was a kid in the 50's my family, and almost everybody else's family, watched Thomas in Make Room For Daddy, a very popular TV show.  Thomas was very proud of his Lebanese heritage and he often spoke of it.  He also often mentioned his Uncle Tanoose (sp?) from the "old country".  Now back then we knew nothing of Lebanon.  We were all either 1st or 2nd generation Americans, so we could relate to pride about heritage, but Lebanon was a mystery to us who were largely (family, friends and neighbors) from eastern European countries.

Not much later, of course, we all began to learn about Lebanon, and other Middle Eastern countries that were once all but unknown to us. 

History is informative, and mind-expanding, and I've read a lot of it.  I often throw up my hands when watching/reading news from the region, wondering "why?"  So much fear.  So much hatred.  So much destruction, of people, cultures, other resources, the very landscape.  I was raised by heathens, and have become more heathenish as I've aged, and yet I can comprehend some of the "why", but only some.  It's very simplistic to ask "Why can't we all just get along?", but everytime I talk to someone whose culture is different from mine, and each time I read a book that concerns another culture, I realize that we really are all the same underneath, with the same hopes, dreams, fears, strengths and weaknesses.  So I choose to believe that there's hope for all of us.

So, Armand, you're a gamer, just like us, and you are most welcome here (Heck, we even allow entry to Canadians.  Hi Helmut  [Image Can Not Be Found].)  And if you have an Uncle Tanoose, he's welcome too.  Aside:  I know you're American, Armand, I just wanted to poke Helmut.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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I'm poked. And when my World in Conflict Red Wave sweeps across the US, I'll keep a tactical nuke for Memphis [Image Can Not Be Found]

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Hey guys,

Thanks for the friendly welcome!

To add a few
details about my background, I came to the states at a pretty young age.
About 6 years old, though I still have many memories of Lebanon. My
parents and other family always speak of its glory days, when it was
peaceful and a
popular tourist destination. They speak proudly of how it had enough
European influence (being a French colony of sorts for so long) to bring
it into the modern age as far as its politics and social norms. We did
pretty much escape to the states in the mid 80's as the situation there
was insufferable by that point. I know we were some of the luckier few,
despite the difficulties of moving to such a foreign country, as many
people my family knew died in the war.

Sad depressing stuff aside, things worked out pretty well here. My
family worked pretty hard to improve our lives, and after 22 years, I
couldn't imagine living anywhere else. I know there is a particularly
ugly state of affairs in our country now towards immigrants, which I
personally find saddening.. We came here legally and eventually became
citizens, though again, we were some of the lucky ones. Attaining
citizenship can be long, hard, and very expensive process.

I suppose I should also clarify that though I'm from Lebanon, I am of
Armenian decent. Our cultural history is much longer and even more
complicated then Lebanon's history (imagine more complicated then middle
east politics!), but I'm not gonna bore anyone with that now..

I don't normally just share all this with people I don't really know, but you guys sounded pretty interested, so there it is.

As for gaming, I've been playing games since I was a kid. It's
definitely a passion. Though I'll admit FO3 has made playing other games
for too long pretty hard. Don't get me wrong, as I still play tons of
other things. Dragon Age took a lot of my time when that came out. Hell,
I've even played tons of Sims 3 recently, though I have pretty mixed
feelings with that one. But I always seem to go back to FO3. I'm hoping
New Vegas (which I've pre-ordered the special edition) lives up to FO3.
I appreciate that the Black Isle people are making it, since I've loved the
first two FO games since the 90's, but they have a high bar to meet,
and it's not like they haven't screwed up games before. That's of course
my personal view. I didn't like the Neverwinter Nights 2 games (though I
enjoyed the NWN1 games) and I've heard some pretty awful things about
Alpha Protocol..

Helmut, one trick for me to run so many mods is to avoid the giant,
change the whole game type mods. Things like Marts Mutant Madness or
whatever it's called that change large parts of the game. It just makes
it easier to deal with. So though I may run tons of mods, they are
mostly small and don't mess with to many core game elements. That said,
my DATA folder in the fallout directory is about 10 gigs, so make of it
what you will. [Image Can Not Be Found] And I've re-installed the game at least 20-30 times since I first bought it.

Well, I've once again typed way too much, but there it is. Again, thanks for the friendly welcome!

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Hi Armand - welcome to the site!  I fear that I may too end up playing FO3 until the world cracks - and like Scout, I was blissfully trapped by Morrowind for what seems like a decade, so I know I have it in me.

 

I'd certainly be happy if many games and worlds were developed in the Morrowind/FO3 mould - where you can interract with almost everyone and every thing.  There would be no complaints on my end of KOTOR was like this, and you could keep playing well after the main quest had ended!

 

To Spike and all, no need to apologise for thread hi-jacking - that's what threads are for here at Tap, right? [Image Can Not Be Found]

 

I'm still trundling around Point Look Out, trying to get to every location as there don't seem to be that many, and find all of the quests there are to be had there.  Just found one in a manor - to find a book for some old guy who seems nice (but is probably a cannible or something).

A man goes to knowledge as he goes to war, wide awake, with fear, with respect, and with absolute assurance. – The Teachings of Don Juan

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Oh! The old guy who wants the book. That's a real odd one. It's one of the few quest lines that can take you all the way back to the Washington wastes if you play it out in certain ways.

As for Morrowind, I too spent many hours with that game. It's a very impressive title. As with most people who played it, I was a little underwhelmed by a lot of the game play in Oblivion, but was willing to excuse it for the sheer beauty of it all. Not to mention Shivering Isles is actually a very fun expansion.

I even used the play the hell out of the first one (Arena) back in the 90's. Though by the time Daggerfell came out, I didn't have a computer that could play it. I don't think I can go back to it now. Hell, Morrowinds gotten a bit hard to swallow. [Image Can Not Be Found]

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And I thought Spike was nutty with all the mods ... but 50-100 ... you sir, are the new reigning mod-champion as far as I can tell. It was nice to read of your adventures.

 

As an owner of the 360 version of the game, there is no modding fun to be had for me.  [Image Can Not Be Found]

 

I'm pretty certain Fallout 3 is unanimously loved here in this Bordello. I know no other game with a "3" in its title that has lived up to (and in many minds surpassed) the legendary standards of its two predecessors.

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Just following on with the book quest - I wanted to give it to the lady who asks for you to meet her in her tent - but alas she was not to be found.  So I ended up giving it to the old guy, and just kept an eye on him.  He merely goes downstairs and prostrates himself - so I figure, no harm, right?  If he gets up to any shinenegans, I'll roast him.

 

I left Point Lookout (with part of my brain), and have now ventured to The Pitt.  I've just recovered the ingots I needed (found 31 when I only needed 10), and I am about to head back inside.  I've kept my slave 'cover' but I've already amassed a large collection of arms and armour.  And seeing the brutality inflicted on my poor slave peers, I've vowed to raze every single slaver once I've completed all of the quests there.  Shame I'm maxed at lvl 30, otherwise it'd sure be nice to get exp from it all.

A man goes to knowledge as he goes to war, wide awake, with fear, with respect, and with absolute assurance. – The Teachings of Don Juan

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Anchorage has worn out its welcome. I see what you mean by simulators, Spike. It takes a certain umph out of the play.

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Welcome Armand

I am another FO3 lover.  I have bought but not yet started to play some of the add ons.  I think from what I hear from you and others on this thread  it is time for me to giveit a go.   Kay

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Jarrod said: "And seeing the brutality inflicted on my poor slave peers, I've vowed to

raze every single slaver once I've completed all of the quests there."

 

If it's not too late, make sure to go through Asher's room before deciding which faction to join in the Pitt. He has some holodisks in there that make things more interesting.

 

Kay: Thanks for the welcome, and let us know how the game goes for you when you start it up!

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Armand, a question since you've played through DC Interiors.  In Seward Square I found one interior not on chucksteel's list (Vault-Tec Registration), but found all the others, but could not find a way to enter Munster's Meats.  I looked for a cellar in the other buildings that might get me into M'sMs, also kept an eye out for possible manhole access.  I got up onto the broken roadway and jumped over to a ledge on the second floor of those buildings but couldn't enter anywhere.  How do you get into Munster's Meats?

In L'Enfant Plaza I could not find Unstable Toad Genetics.  I think I searched thoroughly.  In Takoma Part I found another unlisted interior:  Amuse-o-matic Arcade.  This one is cool because the $$ in the machines respawns  quite quickly.  I'm wondering if Toad Genetics was left out at the last minute.  I searched the Nexus Forums but couldn't come up with anything.  Did you find UTG?

I'm currently working my way through PuceMoose's mods.  A Note Easily Missed, An Evening With Mr. Manchester, In the Shadow of the Swamp, To Sleep, Perchance to Dream, and The Mantis Imperative.  The Moose makes fantastic mods, and they aren't any too easy, which is nice.

Do you happen to have Underground Hideout v. 5.0?  If so, is it extremely buggy for you?

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As Armand mentioned, there were indeed some interesting things at Ashur's apartment - and some tough choices.  I wasn't too sure what the moral high-ground was here - and Bethesda did a great job of making me squirm.  I decided to take the cure, and help the slaves, and in the process razed pretty much all of the raiders.

The next thing I was reluctant to do was release the trogs on uptown - but I didn't know if I could complete the area if I didn't, so I went along with it.

I finished up there, with the promise of returning to see if I can find all of the steel ingots at a later date.

 

After that, I had only one quest left to do in my Pip Boy - Aqua Cure.  I'd put this off as I thought it would be a pretty dull quest, but it turned out to be several smaller quests that were actually a bit of fun.

I've since completed those quests, and was about to begin a large search (probably internet aided) to find all of the bobble-heads, but I got distracted in the Museum of Technology - which is where I'm currently at.

What did you guys do with Ashur's cure?

A man goes to knowledge as he goes to war, wide awake, with fear, with respect, and with absolute assurance. – The Teachings of Don Juan

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I took the baby and gave it to the woman (can't remember her name) in Pitt.  Felt bad, but I had to make a choice. 

The Aqua Cura quest was fun.  Have you seen the "snake oil salesman" bit you can watch in the Museum? - depending on how you played that one, of course.  The routine changes a bit each time you go back to watch and listen.  It's a real hoot.

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I sided with the raiders, much to my own surprise. Left the baby in the lab. Had a few shoot outs but it was surprisingly bloodless.

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