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Pokey
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SB, they are not in the graveyard. They are very easy to get to and close to the bonfire. I did kill the rat and he dropped a humanity.

I visited the blacksmith and bought a catalyst and soul arrow and found the estoc. I ventured into the Undead Burg and did well until I hit the the two swordsmen on the platform to the right. They just circle with their shields up, giving no opening. I've never parried so I guess I'll have to work on backstabbing.

I like the estus flasks too. I hope that they never run out, but I guess they can be upgraded.

I got everything out of the cemetery. The two hander will have to wait till I level up some more. What is the big thump I hear when some enemies die?

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Pokey, I think I know the ones you're talking about (aren't they spearmen?).  Getting past them is worth the effort.  I'm terrible at parrying and I should really work on it.  The benefits are pretty substantial (and cool to watch).  Again, risk/reward.

Thanks for the hint about the chests.  I'll search some more.  And hopefully I haven't been too spoiler-y in my previous posts.  It is rewarding to discover things on your own.

What was your humanity at (the number at the top, left) when you killed the rat?  Humanity affects item drops right?

Steerpike, considering your comments, I'm guessing the replay-ability is high.  Considering another run-through???

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SB, parrying is just too dangerous for me right now but I am getting a bit better at backstab and will try that against them.

You haven't spoiled anything. Nice to know there are goodies to be found in the area. I suspected you may have missed the chests.

I don't know if I had any humanity then. It is almost always 0. It does affect drops as well as being not-hollow. I am still hollow.

Heading out to try my backstab.

Later...I got by them but they were too hard to backstab. I have a humanity of 2 now and am getting some good drops, a light crossbow, helmet and a battle ax.

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Botch, I'm in an NG+ and thinking of starting clean as well, maybe trying something unique with my new build. Replayability is very high, because there are so many things to explore and check out.

Pokey, on that platform where those two larger fellows were - once you beat them, go smashing around in the crates if you haven't done so. You'll find a stairway that leads to a rude but serviceable merchant.

I was never great at the parry/riposte move either, despite practicing a lot. Those two fellows are especially difficult early on since there's an archer on the tower overlooking them, and he keeps pelting you as you try to fight. Keep your eyes peeled for a nearby bonfire, it'll become one of your key bases of operation.

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I'm not convinced that with parrying the risk justifies the reward. In order to parry effectively you need to learn and know the attacks/patterns of every freaking enemy in the game, and react to them perfectly -- or potentially die trying. This isn't even factoring in that some attacks cannot be parried (and the only way of discovering these is the hard way). The reward? Your enemy dies quicker. I'm not sure that's worth the risk of having to deal with all those enemies you parried successfully again. And again. And again. Now for world invasion and PvP duals I can see the allure of it, but for PvE it seems like an exercise in frustration punctuated by short-lived thrills.

I'm still pissing about at Firelink deciding on whether to go Pyro or Wanderer... I know that I'll eventually be able to bend either class to my will as the game progresses but it's the difference between going Dexterity or Strength and both of those effect what types of weapons you're most effective with. What do I want to fight with? I'm not sure. Swords and axes don't get me that excited but maces, hammers, spears and all that jazz sound like a lot of fun to me. I'm half tempted by the Cleric as well... gah.

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It's a dilemma, which build you start with... because like Gregg says, it's less a matter of choosing what sort of character you'll be, and more a matter of choosing which stats you don't want to deal with at the outset - f'rexample, by choosing Sorcerer for my build I knew my Magic and Resistance skills would be pretty high so I could focus on Dex, Vitality, Endurance, and Strength. Greggor, if you like Maces and such, I'd say a strength build is the place to start. I might restart with a halberd type of build myself.

A good play is to grind a bit at the outset. the early area of the Undead Burg nets you a fair amount of souls, and it's cheap to go up levels at that point. Run the region between the second bonfire and the tower (or Firelink and the tower) as often as you can stand to collect lots of firebombs and level your character. The online portion of the game isn't active at this point anyway so don't worry about being invaded. Just collect phat loots!

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Ok I found the chests. That place I thought was a deep shaft obviously wasn't. I've decided to go with a cleric. My holy warrior will smite the undead, and stuff.
I got invaded for the first time near the first bonfire in the Burg. Got my butt kicked. Just once I'd like to win one of these encounters. I think I'll stay hollow for now.
Let's see, I've been flattened by a flaming tar ball and beaten up by a knight with a big sword.  The fact that he was standing there with his back to me should have tipped me off to his contempt for my abilities.
The proximity of bonfires to enemies is unnerving. I always think one is going to sneak up on me while I'm fiddling about with inventory and such. .

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I think I'm starting to agree with you on parrying Greg. The variety of attacks is just too much. I'm basically a counter-puncher. Take one on the shield (or dodge) and attack. An elegant weapon the cleric's mace is not. Still not sure what kind of weapon I'd like to focus on, other than that it will be strength based (and ideally faith as well).

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I've found that the easiest way to deal with the guys that keep their shields up is to kick the shield and attack. It works with the long sword but not with the scimitar.  Taurus Demon ahead.

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I've yet to master the kick either.  Something odd happened to me at the end of my session yesterday that I just now noticed.  I died and returned to the bonfire.  But instead of the normal 10 doses in my Estus Flask, I only had 7.  Not only that, I now have 3 humanity when before I had 0.  What's going on?

The online portion of the game isn’t active at this point anyway so don’t worry about being invaded

You sure about that?

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SB, are you at the Undead Burg bonfire? If you are still hollow, you will get only 5 flasks, so if you had seven, you will still have seven and not ten.  You can pick up humanity for doing things. I'm not sure how I got mine either. I'm thinking about reversing hollow to get ten flasks.

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Bonfires maintained by living Fire Keepers will re-up your Estus Flask to 10 doses - at the outset, that means Firelink Shrine. You won't go DOWN in doses (ie., from 7 to 5) regardless of which fire you rest at, but to reach 10+ doses at fires not maintained by Fire Keepers require that you Kindle them. This tends to be a two-Humanity decision: one to reverse Hollowing, the next to Kindle the fire. It's not enough to simply rest at a fire while you're not Hollow, nor is reversing Hollow enough - you need to reverse your Hollowing, then pay another Humanity to Kindle.

You sure about that?

Actually... no. I made an assumption that you couldn't be invaded until you'd gotten a White Soapstone - which is how you leave a Summon Sign when not Hollow. I hope I didn't get you killed!

I restarted as a Hunter, to test the ability of archers early on. Look for "Link" or "Klordane." See you guys in the ether!

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Taurus Demon is dead.  Took me about 4 tries.  There's a technique that is VERY effective.  I don't think I could have defeated it otherwise.

I hope I didn’t get you killed!

Not at all!  I was just surprised when I got invaded so early in.  Anyway, right after TD went down, I got invaded again.  This guy did some kind of humanity-sucking move on me.  And my physical attacks did no damage.  You can guess the outcome.  What the hell?!  It's not as though I'm high level or anything.  It's really pissing me off.  I wouldn't mind so much if it were a fair fight.

So I think I understand what was happening with my Estus Flask and Humanity now, thanks.  What confused me was that I could have sworn my Flask count went up to 10 at that (un-kindled) bonfire before.  Once in a while I'll get a sort of gold glow around me with a sound effect.  I think my Estus Flask count goes up by one.  Anyone know what that's about?

Pokey, I eventually kindled the Burg bonfire.  It seemed worth it to get the 10-count.

I reached the Undead Parish and now I'm kind of stuck.  Nothing but really tough enemies in all directions.  That knight near the tower (in the Burg) is just too tough right now as well.   I'm kind of hurting for a good ranged attack.  And I haven't upgraded any equipment as I'm focusing on leveling-up at the moment. 

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The humanity-sucking move? That's some high-level shit right there. Did you happen to kill an invader, or invade and kill another player? It might have been a Spirit of Vengeance rather than a plain-jane Dark Spirit.

This seems like a logical place to explain indictments and sin.

Later on you'll meet a character whose name escapes me... he's a Pardoner of Velka, Goddess of Sin. You can purchase indictment slips from him. If you're defeated by an invader while carrying one, you get the option to indict your foe, which adds them to a list called The Book of the Guilty. Indicted players are much more likely to be invaded, especially by members of the Darkwraith Covenant. Darkwraiths are spirits of vengeance (they can also invade you if you sin against the tenets of your current Covenenant), and their shield will pull humanity straight from your body. You learn much more about the Darkwraiths near the end of the game.

Another thing you can buy from the Pardoner is absolution, which clears you of sin and, I think, erases your name from the Book of the Guilty.

You may have been invaded by a Darkwraith, or by a character who happened to find one of their shields. Those things aren't easy to come by, though, so I'm amazed someone with such power invaded you so early in your game.

 

Congratulations on Taurus Demon! The Burg and the Parish are a good place to grind a bit. If you have access to the Parish bonfire (across the narrow, tree-lined bridge opposite the church), you can head downstairs, meet Andrei the Blacksmith, then visit Darkroot Garden, where the foes carry more souls but can eat your face.

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Steerpike, thanks for the explanation.  It sounds...complicated.  Do I understand you to be suggesting that I could have been invaded by an AI?  If so, its behavior was most human-like.  Anyway, I've never invaded anyone and I lost the only other encounter I had with an invader (at least with that one we were more evenly matched).  You can be indicted for killing an invader?  If true, that stinks.

About the first thing I see in the Parish is, without spoiling it, extremely imposing.  To get anywhere in that area, I'll either have to kill it by clever tactics, or avoid it somehow.  I wasn't up to trying to find a way around at the time.  I did find the shortcut to the Burg bonfire (I'm assuming there's only one bonfire in the burg).  I get the feeling I'm missing something, around the area in the Burg where those firebombing guys on the wooden platform are.

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You can be invaded by AIs, but they usually have clever names like "Maneater Mildred," whereas human invaders have names like "Azzclowne666." I don't think you can be indicted for defeating an invader, only for invading and killing another player.

The Imposing Thing you mention... I recommend firebombs, though there is another way to defeat it. It will not respawn. And as for your theory about that area of the Burg, you're correct, but it may be a bit before you can access it.

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I went up against Taurus Demon a few times with no luck. I do fine getting by him the first time I jump on him but then he swats me when I go back by him. Maybe I need to time it a bit better. I did manage to get by him going back to the tower once but he got me on the ladder. Once he even jumped on top of the tower and stomped me there.

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I've just gone up against the Taurus Demon and got pounded both times. The second time I kept my distance observing his attack patterns and reach and managed to survive for a fair while. I'll try and tackle him on my next session. Oh, in the end I went with a Cleric like Botch. I fancied a strength heavy character this time with miracles for support -- I was never able to get any miracles in Demon's Souls, I had a few spells but miracles were these 'things' I'd heard of but never witnessed. That's about to change.

I managed to find those chests by the graveyard, and only by chance as well. I was stood looking through a window and noticed one, then another and dared to drop down that dark pit. It payed off.

Something I've loved each time I've started the game again is talking to the dude at the Firelink Shrine so much that he says 'Oh that's all we need, another inquisitive soul' and 'Bloody Hell, what is it now?'. I can't tell you how much it tickles me to hear a character moaning about you bothering them. I remember a character right at the beginning of Planescape: Torment, in the square outside the Mortuary, complaining about 'you hero adventurer types and your quests'. It reminded me of that.

One more little wry bit of humour in the game was the 'Rubbish' pickup.

Rats and poison, egads. So, so annoying having to wait for the poison to wear off.

And finally, is it me, or is there a noise that the player character intermittently lets out, like a breathing noise, that was used for the blue and red knights in Boletaria Palace? Try standing still in a quiet place when you're hollow and see if you can hear it. It's going to take me some time to train myself to ignore that noise.

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IIRC, the tough one that invaded me was more of the azzclowne666 grin variety.  He must know some quick ways of finding awesome kit.

Guys, when I went up against Taurus Demon, I got some excellent advice from messages on the floor and went with it.  Pokey, you alluded to the method, whether intentionally or not.

Greg, that's how I plan to play the Cleric.  Right now I feel super weak though. cry  And I haven't heard that noise, although at times I do seem to hear random, unexplainable stuff.

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Sorry Pokey, I misread your post.  Don't try to climb the ladder again immediately.  He jumped up there once on me too - it was pretty cool in a terrifying kind of way.

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