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July 2, 2011 - 9:40 pm
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Recently watched this indie horror movie. It's not a success exactly but is darn clever and got me thinking again about what makes good horror.

The homeless guy unkempt beard I'm rocking scared the bejesus out of my neighbor last night when we both opened our doors at the same time. Pure panic response so a startle [surprise] but she apologized once she recovered--this took a bit--and said she had nightmares about such. She's seen me before, we're on good terms, so it was the startle triggering something else. How many levels else I don't know. Certainly don't know her well enough to ask if the nightmares are tied to childhood abuse.

I also watched every Hellraiser movie last month [note: not recommended; there's a lot of the buggers going steadily down hill] and they reminded me that Barker's fiction, while very specific to his own nightmares somehow twigs a non-obvious universal. Same as Giger's alien before it got abstracted into generic Bad Critter.

It's the idiosyncratic new creation which quickly becomes a generic which has always had me confused. Think about it: Giger's design for Alien is so specific, so odd, how did it become a widely copied critter? Sure, it's got the infection thing, psycho-sexual blah blah, scary stuff, but so did many movie critters before. Why did that incredibly specific one stick? It doesn't happen often. Very personal nightmare->broad reaction and relation to->ho-hum everyday copied critter.

Could anyone young watch Alien now and get how startling it was? Critter with mouth in mouth, tummy implant, got it, I played that C grade game four times last month.

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July 3, 2011 - 2:50 am
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Dude, that is so bizarre that you choose now to post about Pontypool, because I was just telling my co-worker about it a few days back.  I watched it on cable and it kind of grabbed me too.  At least the first 2/3 of it did.  At some point when the plot revealed what was causing everything to happen, I kind of went, "Really?!?"  Was a bit of a stretch and just random to me.  But until then, I really was digging the atmosphere and the uncertainty of it all.  I thought the acting was good and believable also.

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July 3, 2011 - 3:52 am
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While the movie is iffy it's a deft use of a limited budget and the total almost works.

Canadian English/French language conflict for a horror movie certainly'd've never occurred to me. Pity it was explained in internet "meme" terms instead of more basic Whorfian ones.

 

Methinks I want to rewatch Rabid. I'm a Cronenberg whore.

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I would guess Giger's Alien was successful because it was so specific. Sure it probably had precursors but the first time you saw it you thought, this is real. This exists. Most monsters fail because they are so generic. They are stand-ins for emotions the artist is otherwise too unskilled to generate. Giger's Alien created a whole new feeling and made you explore that inside yourself.  Look at Joel Peter Witkin's photography. (But not at work. It's really, really, really not safe for work.) It probably started all the scratchy, disjointed, nightmare-image editing you used to see everywhere in movies and later in video games. Like Giger, if you were unprepared for it, it sort of threw you into an odd dream-like state. Now-a-days, it's merely part of the vernacular.

 

Gotta check out this movie.

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You're right Fink regarding Giger's Alien. Sometimes I wonder how I ever found it scary but I remember the horror of the chestburster scene and the moment where they try to laser one of the arms/legs off the facehugger just below the knuckle, spraying acid for blood. The whole setup was terrifying and yes, totally alien. We had no idea what was in store for Kane and the crew. Were there any trailers that revealed scenes later on in the film? Because I think those amazing y'know real teaser trailers were instrumental in ensuring viewers were going into the unknown.

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July 4, 2011 - 12:19 pm
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Right, by why do only a very few specific visions hit then make make the leap to everywhere? Is it the rarity of making the truly novel, when it happens we all adhere like limpets?

I definitely agree that most are so generic; that's why I so wanted to enjoy Zeno Clash.

 

Gotta check out that photographer.

 

[edit] The trailer for Alien is great. No dialog and only a couple frames of a facehugger. Ends with a long shot of space, the sound of people screaming and the tagline: In space no one can hear you scream.

The special edition trailer has an egg hatching and I think a full on creature shot.

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I still remember that trailer. I was sitting next to a long since ex-girlfriend at the movies and she said, "No way will I watch this." Simultaneously, I said, "I gotta fucking see this." We each frowned at the other. Maybe that was the beginning of the end of that relationship right there. Giger killed our love. Bastard.

 

Why do visions click? I don't think there is a reason. It's random. It just clicks. For every creation that enters the canon, how many thousands upon thousands don't? Eventually one of them, if authentic, (etc. blah, blah...) lines up. Luck.

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