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If you want to know what this election was about...........
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kaythomas
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............ here is what it was about.  

 

The 8th congresional district in Minnesota which includes the Iron Range (get it,  people who dig iron out of the earth) for the very first time voted to send a Republican to Congress.   This is beyond belief to me.   It tells me we are looking at  a different reality. 

I have decided to turn off my TV and radio forever.  I am not going to spend my time watching the next two years.  Listening to this stuff just makes me agitated and depressed.  Nothing I have ever done has made a difference in national politics.  So I see no reason to keep on trying.

I will spend my time playing video games, playing bridge, listening to music, going to concerts, going to opera, going to theater, going for walks, doing my weight training, spending time with friends, giving my old cat Holly the best life she can still have, getting my sister through hip replacement surgery, and just trying to have a peaceful existence for myself. 

I may have offended some of you by posting this.  But that is ok.   I have offending many people in my life because there are some things I absolutely believe in.  I don't seem able to do anything in the macro.   So I am going spend my time to make the micro work for me.

Kay  

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I'm with you Kay.  My ex-husband and I were talking about the election this morning.  We are both northerners who voluntarily migrated to the south for a great opportunity 14 years ago.  We have become used to the warm winters and hot summers here, and have no wish to go back to parkas, snow tires, and shovels.  But this place is so divided racially - white suburbs, black city.  The civil war was last week.  We don't value education.  We don't take care of kids.  We don't take care of our city.  Much of our economy depends on tourism - Elvis, Beale Street.  And yet, walking down the pedestrian-only main mile of Main street the first thing tourists and residents are greeted with is the smell of feces and urine - not all of it from the horses that pull the tourist-focused carriages.  Most of it comes from the homeless and other beggers that frequent the mile that many tourists come to see while they are here for Elvis or Blues.  The city government and the downtown district merchant's association point fingers at each other about just whose responsibility it is to clean up the stench.  There's no winning.

Although we were lucky enough to reelect a terrific congressman, we dumped a decent democratic governor in favor of the guy who wants to do alway with all forms of gun registration.  As if guns aren't a large factor in our awful crime rate here.

We've become disenchanted by Memphis, and now, thanks to the tea baggers (as a life-long tea drinker I SO hate that name), we are becoming disenchanted by the entire ignorant, fearful, racist, easily-swayed "red" people.  8 years of Bush and his disasterous handling of the economy, his unnecessary wars, and general giving-things-to-his-rich-friends attitudes and policies set the stage for Obama, if not to fail in his promises, at least to have great difficulty in solving the monumental problems that took 8 years to come to a boil.  So the stupid, who sadly are most affected by a shit economy, figure that since life isn't rosy yet that they should throw the liberal bums out.  Short-sighted.  Opposite to their own best interests.  Fox News die-hards.  Ignorance isn't bliss.  It is suicide.

My ex and I have a friend in Toronto.  She tells us much about the attitude of the people, and the government.  High taxes, yes, but a much more civilized and caring environment.  But  it's COLD up there!  We just can't see us buying parkas and shovels at this time in our lives.  So like you, Kay, we've decided that maybe all these years of being news-hounds has added up to zip.  On the other hand, the republicans don't have any good ideas for how to fix what ails us, so maybe 2 years from now the worm will turn, and large groups of idiots will will see the light.  I can dream, can't I?

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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My dumb.  I meant to make a sentence clearer, and hit the quote and reply button instead of the edit button.  I'll let the sentence stand since I can no longer edit what I mistakenly replied to.  Aw, heck, I'm tired and not making much sense.  Goodnight, all.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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Spike said......Aw, heck, I'm tired and not making much sense.  Goodnight, all.

Spike, you make a lot of sense but I am too tired to respond.  But I will respond tomorrow.

Kay14

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Oregon dispatched itself honorablely tonight. Voted in a Democratic Gov, Senator and all congressmen were democratic. Lately the Oregon Democratric Party has been kicking ass, gettin Obama in to back a big last minute drive, and just to get people to vote. Nationally the turnout was something like 46% but in Oregon, with vote by mail, it was 78%. That turnout was what won the day. That doesn't happen without a major force of political will. I mock much of the entitled demographic that makes up this state but I have to admit they are doing something right.

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I remain baffled at how so many Americans could be angry with Obama for not fixing in 18 months what took 8 years to create.

And that's just the pointless, trillion-dollar wars, the end to all regulation on corporations, and the stacking the Supreme Court with ultraconservatives. The economic issues of subprime mortgages, bad Wall Street behavior, and selling debt to China go farther back still.

 

Like Kay I kind of hope to tune out, at least until 2012, when I'll throw all support behind Obama and the Democrats again. But the party as a whole needs to get better at going on the offensive. We try to help the poor and they call us communists; we suggest that torture is illegal they call us terrorist sympathizers; we imply that universal health care is a good idea and they accuse us of stealing their hard earned money.

 

We need more people like the (unfortunately defeated night before last) Florida Congressman who said: "The Republican health care plan is very simple: they want you to die quickly.'"

Life is the misery we endure between disappointments.

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I hate politics and did not vote for any candidates this election because I despise them all. Republicans and Democrats equally. Every last one of them spent more time (not to mention incredible sums of money) telling me why I should vote against his or her opponent instead of for him or her.

 

Government puts its big nose into everyone's personal lives. I think there should be no laws regulating what goes on in the privacy of one's home, as long as all within are in agreement as to whatever activity and nobody gets hurt (who doesn't want to get hurt [Image Can Not Be Found]).

 

I think all laws should apply to everybody or nobody. No more of this bullshit about gay marriage or gays in the military.

 

There is very little honor in politics. The bipartisan system is broken.

 

I think there should be no such thing as careeer politicians or political parties. Government should be by the citizens. There should be not only strict term limits but also limits on the number of political offices any one person can hold. Career politicans almost never care about what's best for their constituents. They are all more interested in what's best for them and/or their own party. I think we should chuck them all out and start fresh.

 

Did I mention I hate politics? [Image Can Not Be Found]

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Jen said:

I think there should be no such thing as careeer politicians or political parties. Government should be by the citizens. There should be not only strict term limits but also limits on the number of political offices any one person can hold. Career politicans almost never care about what's best for their constituents. They are all more interested in what's best for them and/or their own party. I think we should chuck them all out and start fresh.

 

Did I mention I hate politics? [Image Can Not Be Found]


Jen, I've always hated the idea of legislated term limits.  I think that I've always had the power of term limits - in the voting booth.  If I don't like a politician I can always vote against him/her.  Term limits take my power away. We've all known of excellent politicians who either at the local, state, or national level, do their jobs well, with the good of the people in mind.  These are people I want to retain in office.  Think Ted Kennedy, for a start.

Too, it takes a while after getting to Washington, for example, for new legislators to figure out just how to do the job they've been elected to do.  I wouldn't want a boatload of greenhorns every 2/4/6 years.  Experience can be a good thing.

What ARE broken, and what needs to be fixed, are the campaign finance and lobbying systems.  They pervert the concept of "of the people".  Our campaign schedule is out of whack too.  A 2-year long campaign for a 2-year office?  Nuts.  The job of a congressman becomes getting elected, not working for the people after election.  I think some other countries do this stuff much better than we do.  We  could take a cue.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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Jen said:

I [...] did not vote 


Fuck you. Not voting is ceding control. Voting is the bare minimum and if you don't like your options work for others. Voting is not only a right but an obligation. People in other countries are dieing for that right every day.

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Finance and lobbying must be completely abolished, or massively overhauled. Another thing I'd like to see is a law stating that any accredited news-delivering entity - be it paper, network, radio, whatever - cannot be owned in whole or part by another corporation.

 

I don't mind people who make politics their career. It's a form of public service. But they should be serving the public and not themselves.

 

I DO mind people who ignorant, like those who prefer to keep one party in the White House and another in Congress, so nothing gets done, or those who think that it doesn't matter who's running the country.

 

I also mind Republicans, though even just a few years ago there were some decent ones. Now there don't seem to be.

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I've always voted for the small parties that won't win but have a heart, if for no other reasons than to say:

 

a) I voted,

b) and it wasn't for one of you, PCs/Liberals/NDP,

c) because I think you all suck and need to focus on making your country a better place, not on the skeletons in the closets of your opponents

 

If the Green party ever goes away I'll have to decide whether to go Marijuana or Communist party.

 

p.s. Spike, you get used to the winters! They're no worse than any in the northern U.S., really. Sometimes more forgiving (example: Buffalo). And our new crazy mayor is even considering scrapping our $5,000 land transfer tax (for those curious, yes, that's a tax just for moving; a tax on top of all the money you paid to buy your new home). The Beatles were right, they really do tax our feet.

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kaythomas said:

I may have offended some of you by posting this. 


You thought we'd be offended?  Here?  At TAP?  You did open a can of liberal worms, though.  I like worms, especially the left-leaning ones.

"…you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake."

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Fuck you back, Finkybaby [Image Can Not Be Found] with a cherry on top!

 

I vote. I always vote. I just don't vote on every choice. Here in Washington, we can vote for any candidate in the primaries, regardless of party affiliation. Then the top two candidates from the primaries are the ones who make it onto the final ballot, and invariably it is the Republican and the Democrat. Those were all a sorry lot this year, and I didn't want to vote for any of them. So I didn't. So there [Image Can Not Be Found] Our system sucks! Indepedent and small-party candidates never even have half a chance.

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"Fuck you back, Finkybaby [Image Can Not Be Found] with a cherry on top!"

You tease and tease but never fly out for a visit! Size may not matter but I approve your buxom floppinousity. [Image Can Not Be Found]

 "Indepedent and small-party candidates never even have half a chance."

Took a day after the election here in Maine before the governor was called. Dem took took enough votes away from the independent (my vote) and we ended up with a Tea Party backed whack-a-doodle. No Christine O'Donnell, the guy's not an idiot, but it still stinks. It was close.

Broadly speaking I'm an old-fashioned liberal (I wanted Bradley over Clinton; sadly that type of liberal candidate is long gone from the national stage--I've been amused by liberals being pissed at Obama, who never was one and didn't run as one) but I vote without regard to party and have voted for many Republicans and I kinda like the US system. Might get me lynched but I support the electoral college, opaque and weird and seemingly archaic as it is. By extension, I mostly like the de facto two party system it forces in the US. That's not to say there aren't zillions of problems but I'll take it over Italy cobbling together alliances that crap out every two months. The US is a republic, not a direct democracy. Checks & balances and all that.

I voted, with a heavy heart, against a city proposal to allow legal non-citizens to get voting in local elections. That the expensive and slow process of becoming a citizen needs to be changed doesn't change that voting is the core of being a citizen. I'm an absolutist on few things but that's one of them.

At least in US third party candidates or the most liberal extant on the Dem side are often bugfuck insane. cough Kucinich cough. Cabinet level Department of Peace indeed. The dial keeps shifting right, which I hate, but I suppose I'm conservative (small cee) at heart: I like hard-nosed moderates of old with a liberal slant. Again, a dead breed. [Image Can Not Be Found] Gimme a Lyndon Johnson. Without the secret bombing.

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Tempting as you may be, my little cupcake, if I had any extra money to take a flight somewhere . . . viva Las Vegas!

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Finkbug said:

At least in US third party candidates or the most liberal extant on the Dem side are often bugfuck insane. cough Kucinich cough. 


Hey!  I lived in Ohio for 26 years, and although I didn't live near Cleveland, I always kinda liked Kuchinich.  A bit wacky, sure...there was that UFO thing.  But he has always seemed to vote his conscience without regard to what is popular.  I liked the fact that he voted against the Patriot Act and other rights-limiting insanities.  He voted against invading Iraq.  Lots of his other positions jive with mine.  While he took flak for some of his seemingly bone-headed positions early in his career, he has been vindicated on many of them.  I even voted for him in the presidential primary of 2008.  I knew he had no choice of winning, but it was my way of saying I wanted to hear/see something different from the candidates.

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I'm with Kucinich on many of the courageous votes he made but that doesn't mean he's not a whack-a-doodle. There's courageous and there's knee jerk conflict is bad let us all sing kumbaya in some imaginary world of happy people. Liberalism needs a realpolitik steely backbone or it is useless mush.

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I had already cut back on watching politics and will probably watch even less with all the craziness going on. Glad I live in California, where they had the sense to elect Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer over the CEOs, but also sad that the state has been broken with the initiative process. It makes it even harder for a governor to do anything to fix the state. The worst is the required 2/3 vote to raise taxes. Prop 13 (property tax) started the downward slide.

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I was pleased to see Jerry Brown elected too. I live in Michigan, where we got a CEO (Rick Snyder), but all in all I think Cali did okay on Tuesday.

 

Pokey, it's so that any major legislation has to be voted on by the whole state in California, right? Is that the initiative process of which you speak? Here in MI we desperately need a new Constitution but now is not the time to write one. Unfortunately the law says we can't try again until 2026.

 

I'm still getting over the fact that Rand Fucking Paul got elected. It never occurred to me he had a chance, now he's in the Senate.

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Steerpike, anyone can put an initiative on the ballot with enough signatures on a petition. This year some oil companies tried to remove our environmental regulations by a sneaky maneuver.

Hard to believe that Rand Paul was elected. At least we avoided a few of the craziest ones.

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