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Assassin's Creed I: game controls from hell. I need a suggestion.
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Spike
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I started playing Assassin's Creed last night.  Even with the beginning-of-the-game tutorial, and even with the manual at my side, I found the controls to be cumbersome and confusing.  I've read that this is a problem for some players of the PC version, and that a console controller makes playing easier.  Part of my problem is due to lack of facility.  I'll call it klutziness.

So, I guess I now go looking for a controller that will make this game easier for me.  The extent of my controller experience was way back in the days of the original 8-bit Nintendo.  I was pretty fast then, but controllers have gotten much more sophisticated, and I've gotten older and less nimble.  It SO sucks to have to admit that.

Any suggestions?  What controllers work well?  Who likes which one, and why?

 

P.S.  Gorgeous graphics.  Dumb save system.  It will be interesting to see how far I get in this game before frustration kicks in.  I hate those automatic save points.  Sometimes real life doesn't wait for a save point.  And I hate redoing.

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I have the game waiting to be played, so I may be looking to use something other than my mouse and keyboard. I did get through most of Prince of Persia: Sands of Time without a controller, though I bought an adapter so I could use my PS2 controller. It didn't help with the part I was stuck in. I've heard that a lot of players like to use the XBox controller with the PC.

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I got this one at GoGamer some time ago to play Overload. I can map the various buttons depending on the game I'm playing and it's supposed to remember (never tested this out as I only play one game at a time). If I'm not mistaken, you can also use a wired 360 controller. (it'd be really helpful if I actually read all the replies before answering. What Pokey said about the Xbox controller)

I've been playing AC I off and off for a month and I've only made it as far as Damascus before getting distracted by a couple of other games.

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Yup, this is the one I have - xbox 360 controller for Windows. 

Not that I'm any good using it but it does work better than a mouse/keyboard in games originally written for consoles.

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Another vote for the 360 gamepad, wired Windows version.

I'm super picky about input devices but can use this where a PS2/PS3 controller looses fire ants and formosan termites on my tendons. It really is a try before you buy situation--some loathe the 360. Its d-pad is iffy if you plan to play fighters.

360 has the advantage of being instantly recognized and mapped on Windows systems and as Yap said many PC games are now designed for a gamepad. Worth picking one up, whatever the personal choice.

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Toger said:

I got this one at GoGamer some time ago to play Overload. I can map the various buttons depending on the game I'm playing and it's supposed to remember (never tested this out as I only play one game at a time). If I'm not mistaken, you can also use a wired 360 controller. (it'd be really helpful if I actually read all the replies before answering. What Pokey said about the Xbox controller)

I've been playing AC I off and off for a month and I've only made it as far as Damascus before getting distracted by a couple of other games.


I'm assuming that you're using the Logitech for ACI, correct, Toger?  How easy is it to use?  Comfortable?  Is ACI one of the games that it's already mapped for (not that that matters)?  I am such a tiny, tiny way into this game that I am in the pit in the cave (down ladder) at the very beginning.  And it took me 45 minutes to get there.  Sheesh.

I've read that some PC games only support certain brands of controllers.  So since MS and XBox are the 900 lbs. gorillas, maybe the 360 that ya'll are suggesting is the one to get - just in case I ever need to use it for another game down the road.

Thank you one and all.

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Finkbug just reminded me...I wanted to ask if anyone likes the wireless version.

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I use the wired 360 controller as well. Assassins Creed really needs it. Just watch out, as once in a while it will mess with your computer in wierd ways, if Windows thinks it's something else. I've founf many a strange audio or boot issue fixed by unpluging the thing for a minute.

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Some games expect a gamepad when they shouldn't (looking at you Metro 2030) but a game like Creed uses the analog input (on sticks and trigger buttons) which keyboard input can't duplicate. So, stick full forward is run, no stick stop, and full range between. Keyboard would be forward and toggles or depressed extra keys for a couple intermediate states.

The Logitech pads are the PC version of the Play Station gear. There are other companies making gamepads. I used to buy Nyco gear and still like the feel  in my hands even if the build quality is suspect. It really is personal ergonomics. Go to a Best Buy or somewhere and fiddle with the display stuff before buying.

You'll be able to map any of them in a recent game but button names will be off if the game expects a 360 pad. Older games you'll have to rely on the drivers from the company and those can be a problem. As with any equipment, ignore the in-box drivers and go to the manufacturer's website to download current software. Windows may auto-recognize a third party pad and auto update but don't count on it.

There is tiny extra latency and a remote chance of interference but you'll do fine with the wireless. If distance is the issue, the wired 360 has a long cord. Eyeballing I'd say five feet.

One oddity about Vista and earlier--I don't know if 7 shares the problem--is the system doesn't recognize the gamepad input as keystrokes/mouse movement in a game and can go into sleep mode. I became trained to whack the shift key every so often and still do it even though I long ago set my rig to manual sleep only.

 

Hope all those words helped a bit. 

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Spike, I'm playing AC on the 360... When I have the choice, I always opt for comfy chair + HDTV over my PC's 19" monitor and hard-backed chair.

The Logitech is easy to use and it's comfortable. It's slightly smaller than the 360 controller which is nice if you have smallish hands. I don't know if AC would automagically map itself to the Logitech, but I'm willing to bet that AC would map itself to the 360 controller.

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I read a review of AC once that classically said, "The controls in Assassin's Creed are excellent and innovative... until you need them to work."

 

I'll fifth the recommendation for a wired 360 gamepad, or an equivalent clone. I can't imagine playing AC with a mouse/keyboard. It would be... I don't know how it would be. It would be odd.

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I guess I know what I gotta do.  Thanks everybody.  [Image Can Not Be Found]

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I remember reading that quote, Steerpike. It's true. While they are extremely brutal sometimes, say when you're in pursuit and leaping from rooftop to rooftop, only to leap in a completely unwanted direction, the blow of that is softened because the save system of Assassin's Creed is actually so forgiving.

 

Spike, I'm not sure if you know but each time you collect a flag your game will save that progress; basically anything you do that is of any significance at all is always saved. Dying in AC is an annoyance at most.

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